Trump's Tactics are Working Wonderfully.

Mai72

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/opinions/bannon-trump-coup-opinion-ben-ghiat/index.html

"Strike at the enemy at a time and place or in a manner for which he is unprepared," reads one US Air Force formulation of the old military doctrine of surprise. Trump has long been an advocate of this tactic and complained various times during the campaign that our armed forces were far too transparent about their planned operations.

Very interesting. I'm not an advocate of Trump. I don't care for the guy, but it just seems that many of us are severely underestimating the capabilities of this man.

And, the profound effects he's going to have on our lives.

Oh, he's going to run for a second term.
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fskimospy

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He means business and he's proving it. Like him or not, he's flat out getting the job done. Work ethic he has.

Yeah, that work ethic where he doesn't do any of the due diligence before making executive orders, causing chaos. He likes the signing orders and publicity part, not the hard work that goes into making those orders make sense and go into effect well.

This has to be the laziest president in history.
 

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I'm curious to see how long congress enjoys his surprises for. Like those congressional aids who helped write the muslim ban EO under NDAs and didn't tell give their bosses the heads up what was coming...the off the record comments didn't paint congressmen as happy. I suspect more people than Yates have been cleaning out offices lately.
 

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Trump isn't surprising anyone other than with the degree of foolishness he's displayed. That cat has left the bag. As far as the quote, Trump was referring to discussing specific actions and that revealing them to the enemy isn't smart. Two different things.
 
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Starbuck1975

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This has to be the laziest president in history.
Does this mean you are abandoning your accusations of fascism? Fascism is very much an active ideology. I don'y recall anyone calling Hitler or Mussolini lazy.

So is he lazy or a fascist. Can't be both, although I am leaning towards the former. He is an entertainer, not an absolute ruler.
 

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Does this mean you are abandoning your accusations of fascism? Fascism is very much an active ideology. I don'y recall anyone calling Hitler or Mussolini lazy.

So is he lazy or a fascist. Can't be both, although I am leaning towards the former. He is an entertainer, not an absolute ruler.

Of course you can be lazy and a fascist, the two things have nothing to do with one another. What sort of nonsense is this?

Also, Hitler was notoriously lazy. He slept in late, never held a meaningful job for long before leading Germany, almost never exercised, couldn't focus on details, and spend most nights watching movies. Frequently his staff had things they needed him to decide on and he would just put it off for days or weeks.

So yeah, not only is fascism not related to laziness, the #1 example of a fascist leader in history was super lazy.
 

HomerJS

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Just doing stuff doesn't mean anything is being accomplished. He has done stuff.

One example no one has answered, what has the Muslim country ban accomplished that the current vetting process hasn't??
 

cytg111

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I disagree, Trump started back in 2011 vetting the population when he started his birtherism campaign vs. Obama.
Low and behold, to everybodys surprise it worked, it worked to an absurd degree as we all saw with our own eyes -
Trump demanding Obamas birth certificate all while "the movement" grew and grew in numbers(rednecks wanting the monkey of the whitehouse). Fake news was working.
I think Trump was as surprised as anyone that this worked.
This had nothing to do with Obama this had all to do with mobilizing those very specific segments
From rednecks and other closet-racists to full blown neonazis.
Moving on to the gun fanatics
Moving on to the god fanatics and "pro life" absurdities
Moving on to the the next segment he could rally with fear uncertainty and doubt.
Selling snake oil all around.
A leadership based on fear and hate.

There is nothing shockwave about it, its been there, right infront of us, all along, atleast since 2011
 

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Of course you can be lazy and a fascist, the two things have nothing to do with one another. What sort of nonsense is this?

Also, Hitler was notoriously lazy. He slept in late, never held a meaningful job for long before leading Germany, almost never exercised, couldn't focus on details, and spend most nights watching movies. Frequently his staff had things they needed him to decide on and he would just put it off for days or weeks.

So yeah, not only is fascism not related to laziness, the #1 example of a fascist leader in history was super lazy.

Worked out well for the reich on D-Day.
 

Starbuck1975

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Of course you can be lazy and a fascist, the two things have nothing to do with one another. What sort of nonsense is this?

Also, Hitler was notoriously lazy. He slept in late, never held a meaningful job for long before leading Germany, almost never exercised, couldn't focus on details, and spend most nights watching movies. Frequently his staff had things they needed him to decide on and he would just put it off for days or weeks.

So yeah, not only is fascism not related to laziness, the #1 example of a fascist leader in history was super lazy.
You need to read up on Hitler. He was an aspiring artist and brave military veteran who got sucked into the nationlist tribalism that was colliding between eastern and western Europe, and out of frustration over Germany's capitulation after WW2 and lack of economic opportunity, he embraced political extremism.

Many people ponder what the world would be like if we could go back in time and kill Hitler. I wonder what the world would be like if Hitler had gone to art school and succeeded instead of becoming the voice of fascist nationalism in Germany.

It is dangerous to demonize evil. You must come to understand that which creates it.
 

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I disagree. 12 people worked together to spell RESIST on a beach in Maine.

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MongGrel

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You need to read up on Hitler. He was an aspiring artist and brave military veteran who got sucked into the nationlist tribalism that was colliding between eastern and western Europe, and out of frustration over Germany's capitulation after WW2 and lack of economic opportunity, he embraced political extremism.

Many people ponder what the world would be like if we could go back in time and kill Hitler. I wonder what the world would be like if Hitler had gone to art school and succeeded instead of becoming the voice of fascist nationalism in Germany.

It is dangerous to demonize evil. You must come to understand that which creates it.

You should read up your history even more if you think Hitler was doing much of anything post WW2.

He was a bad artist to begin with.

I know what you are trying to say, but even then you are doing it a bit badly.

I'm not even sure he would qualify as a brave military non com after WWI, he was sitting in a prion cell when he wrote Mein Kampf I believe, he sure nailed the Nationalism theme well and honed weapons in the Spanish Civil War before he started Blietzkrieging all over the place later on and speed tripping.
 
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He means business and he's proving it. Like him or not, he's flat out getting the job done. Work ethic he has.

He's doing all the things he said he'd do, and he's making tremendous progress in a short time span. Gotta give him credit, he's exceeding all expectations thusfar. He has the idiot lefties running around screaming like chickens in the street, and they have no idea which side he's going to smack them around from each day.

I'm curious to see how long congress enjoys his surprises for. Like those congressional aids who helped write the muslim ban EO under NDAs and didn't tell give their bosses the heads up what was coming...the off the record comments didn't paint congressmen as happy.

Yes, that's something he's going to have to learn, you have to keep your allies informed, they don't want to be blindsided. Sometimes that's necessary, but not usually.

I suspect more people than Yates have been cleaning out offices lately.

That's just 100% more "win" for all of us. Swamp draining itself.

One example no one has answered, what has the Muslim country ban accomplished that the current vetting process hasn't??

What muslim ban??
 
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fskimospy

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You need to read up on Hitler. He was an aspiring artist and brave military veteran who got sucked into the nationlist tribalism that was colliding between eastern and western Europe, and out of frustration over Germany's capitulation after WW2 and lack of economic opportunity, he embraced political extremism.

Many people ponder what the world would be like if we could go back in time and kill Hitler. I wonder what the world would be like if Hitler had gone to art school and succeeded instead of becoming the voice of fascist nationalism in Germany.

It is dangerous to demonize evil. You must come to understand that which creates it.

What does any of that have to do with whether or not he was lazy? You can be brave and lazy too.

My dad was a huge world war 2 guy, some of which I inherited, especially earlier in life. I've read a great deal about Hitler and he was a deeply lazy man, especially in his time of governance.
 

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He's doing all the things he said he'd do, and he's making tremendous progress in a short time span. Gotta give him credit, he's exceeding all expectations thus far. He has the idiot lefties running around screaming like chickens in the street, and they have no idea which side he's going to smack them around from each day.

If by exceeding expectations you mean creating humanitarian crises, censoring scientific facts and circumventing the usual rule of law, then yes.


What muslim ban??

Oh, right, because Dear Leader Trump is saying it isn't a Muslim ban in this particular minute, you now don't think it's a ban. Never mind that he called it a ban before, and that Giuliani says Trump explicitly asked him to devise a Muslim ban...
 

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If by exceeding expectations you mean creating humanitarian crises, censoring scientific facts and circumventing the usual rule of law, then yes.

It is kind of funny that the most chaotic and incompetent week in maybe the history of the presidency is 'exceeding expectations' for him. Then again he kind of gave up the game when he admitted that making liberals angry is his benchmark, haha.

Oh, right, because Dear Leader Trump is saying it isn't a Muslim ban in this particular minute, you now don't think it's a ban. Never mind that he called it a ban before, and that Giuliani says Trump explicitly asked him to devise a Muslim ban...

I love how Trump called for a Muslim ban, asked Giuliani to make him a Muslim ban, then implemented the thing that Giuliani made and now they are trying to claim it's not a Muslim ban. The spin must be making them dizzy.
 

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As far as this executive order immigration ban ( selected countries)... I think the unhinged left is being hypercritical. Nobody has died or been physically hurt because of it. At most its been an inconvenience for some travelers. I think the proper fixes/patches will soon take place. In some ways this quick action is better than it being sucked into some bureaucracy for year(s) and becoming just a memory
 

zinfamous

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He means business and he's proving it. Like him or not, he's flat out getting the job done. Work ethic he has.

I mean, you're not wrong. He's pretty much doing exactly what the vast majority of people expected: forcing through unvetted and vacuous legislation that won't be able to withstand the scrutiny of our actual laws. The incompetence factor is expectedly unparalleled with this band of miscreants.

He is doing exactly what his cult wanted, and exactly what everyone else expected: please the rubes with lip service. Watch the law bring him back to reality.
 

Starbuck1975

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What does any of that have to do with whether or not he was lazy? You can be brave and lazy too.

My dad was a huge world war 2 guy, some of which I inherited, especially earlier in life. I've read a great deal about Hitler and he was a deeply lazy man, especially in his time of governance.
We've gone down another rabbit hole. Fine. Trump is a lazy fascist and a big poo poo head. Now what?
 

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He means business and he's proving it. Like him or not, he's flat out getting the job done. Work ethic he has.
What, I'm supposed to be impressed that he's showing up to work and signing papers? Does that come with a participation trophy?
 
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fskimospy

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We've gone down another rabbit hole. Fine. Trump is a lazy fascist and a big poo poo head. Now what?

Now we get to continue to see his laziness cause chaos at federal agencies I imagine. I don't know who coined the phrase but 'malevolence tempered by incompetence' seems to be the perfect description of this administration so far.
 

dainthomas

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He is doing exactly what his cult wanted, and exactly what everyone else expected: please the rubes with lip service. Watch the law bring him back to reality.

And when all the unconstitutional crap (that he doesn't actually care about anyway) gets overturned, he gets to blame it on leftard activist judges who hate America. It's a win for him either way.