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Trump's Supreme Court Picks FINALLY Starting to Pay Off

BoomerD

No Lifer

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday tossed out two lawsuits claiming that Donald Trump's business dealings as president violated the Constitution's ban on receiving financial benefits from states or foreign officials.

The cases raised a novel question about a president's ability to receive income from businesses patronized by government officials. But once Trump left office, it was assumed the cases would be dismissed as moot because the constitutional provision would no longer apply to him — leaving unanswered the legal questions they raised.

The issue arose shortly after Trump took office. The attorneys general of Maryland and the District of Columbia challenged his receipt of profits from the Trump International Hotel in Washington, a few blocks from the White House. And a nonprofit group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, raised similar concerns about the Trump International Hotel in New York.

Though Trump's lawyers fought the lawsuits aggressively, lower courts declined to throw the cases out, so the president took his appeals to the Supreme Court. Both lawsuits involved the Constitution's emoluments clauses, which forbid the president from receiving "any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any king, prince, or foreign state" or any state in the U.S.

Maryland and Washington contended that the president improperly benefited financially whenever foreign or state governments patronized the Trump Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue. Their lawsuits said government officials wanted to curry favor with him, so they patronized in his hotel to the disadvantage of D.C.'s convention center and Maryland's National Harbor development, both of which earn local tax revenue and help area businesses.

A federal appeals court sided with the New York groups making a similar emoluments claim.

"The president's establishments offer government patrons something that the plaintiffs cannot: the opportunity, by enriching the president, to obtain favorable governmental treatment from the president and the executive branch," it said.

After the presidential election, the Justice Department urged the Supreme Court to dismiss the cases and wipe out lower court rulings that found a violation of the emoluments clauses. Allowing them to stand would leave "an erroneous decision on the books that this Court has not had a meaningful opportunity to review," government lawyers said.

In a brief order, the Supreme Court dismissed the cases and ordered the lower courts to vacate their rulings, wiping the earlier decisions off the books.

While I agree that with King Donnie the Twice Impeached no longer being in office, it's kind of moot...dismissing the suits also sets a precedent...do what you want, we'll clean up after you.
 



While I agree that with King Donnie the Twice Impeached no longer being in office, it's kind of moot...dismissing the suits also sets a precedent...do what you want, we'll clean up after you.

Yeah however an important foot note is the people bringing the suit agreed it is no longer relevant.
 
An important lesson here if you want to be corrupt: just stall oversight with endless court battles until you leave office, when the issue becomes moot. This decision and the stalling the courts allowed basically makes oversight impossible.

Exactly. Too bad there doesn't seem to be any way for the US to claw back some of the millions of $$$ they paid the Trump Org.
Requiring the USSS to stay in Trump hotels while he was traveling/golfing is corruption, pure and simple.
 
This is just a corollary to how the rich and powerful commit crimes that net hundreds of millions of dollars, with hundreds of thousands of dollars paid in fines - a cost of "doing business".

Imagine if you could rob a bank of $100,000 and only pay a fee of $10,000. Just a cost of "doing business".

Here, the issue is now "moot" because Trump is no longer President. All of the Unconstitutionally-gained money over the past 4 years? Meh, it's moot now, what difference does it make if it was illegal or whatever?

Our legal system is a gigantic shitshow, and if you're rich, you get to wear a full-body rubber poncho.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
 
This is just a corollary to how the rich and powerful commit crimes that net hundreds of millions of dollars, with hundreds of thousands of dollars paid in fines - a cost of "doing business".

Imagine if you could rob a bank of $100,000 and only pay a fee of $10,000. Just a cost of "doing business".

Here, the issue is now "moot" because Trump is no longer President. All of the Unconstitutionally-gained money over the past 4 years? Meh, it's moot now, what difference does it make if it was illegal or whatever?

Our legal system is a gigantic shitshow, and if you're rich, you get to wear a full-body rubber poncho.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
Well, this is true.
 
An important lesson here if you want to be corrupt: just stall oversight with endless court battles until you leave office, when the issue becomes moot. This decision and the stalling the courts allowed basically makes oversight impossible.
Yep.. Opens the door to so much corruption that won't be held accountable. You would think it also violates due process/right to speedy trial laws by taking 4 years for the decision. the first lawsuit was filed in 2017.
 
This is just a corollary to how the rich and powerful commit crimes that net hundreds of millions of dollars, with hundreds of thousands of dollars paid in fines - a cost of "doing business".

Imagine if you could rob a bank of $100,000 and only pay a fee of $10,000. Just a cost of "doing business".

Here, the issue is now "moot" because Trump is no longer President. All of the Unconstitutionally-gained money over the past 4 years? Meh, it's moot now, what difference does it make if it was illegal or whatever?

Our legal system is a gigantic shitshow, and if you're rich, you get to wear a full-body rubber poncho.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

When the cost, on average, for the committing the crime continues to be below the reward for it, expect it to continue.

Somehow doesn't work that way when you're broke and committing a petty crime though.
 
This is just a corollary to how the rich and powerful commit crimes that net hundreds of millions of dollars, with hundreds of thousands of dollars paid in fines - a cost of "doing business".

Imagine if you could rob a bank of $100,000 and only pay a fee of $10,000. Just a cost of "doing business".

Here, the issue is now "moot" because Trump is no longer President. All of the Unconstitutionally-gained money over the past 4 years? Meh, it's moot now, what difference does it make if it was illegal or whatever?

Our legal system is a gigantic shitshow, and if you're rich, you get to wear a full-body rubber poncho.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
No imagining if you are the banker/Wall Street oligarch and then get the current administration to give you a slap on the wrist at most after tanking the country overriding your own parties wishes for reform and justice,

Trump is just the end result of the past and if Biden doesn't fix the underlying economic inequalities be prepared for much worse than Trump.

A New York Times editorial in August explained that the DOJ's excuse for failing to prosecute Wall Street executives - that it was too hard to obtain convictions - "has always defied common sense - and all the more so now that a fuller picture is emerging of the range of banks' reckless and lawless activities, including interest-rate rigging, money laundering, securities fraud and excessive speculation." The Frontline program interviewed former prosecutors, Senate staffers and regulators who unequivocally said the same: it is inconceivable that the DOJ could not have successfully prosecuted at least some high-level Wall Street executives - had they tried.


If the democrat party government went after the Wall Street crooks with the same vigor they are going after Trump we would be much better off today.
 
No imagining if you are the banker/Wall Street oligarch and then get the current administration to give you a slap on the wrist at most after tanking the country overriding your own parties wishes for reform and justice,

Trump is just the end result of the past and if Biden doesn't fix the underlying economic inequalities be prepared for much worse than Trump.




If the democrat party government went after the Wall Street crooks with the same vigor they are going after Trump we would be much better off today.
LOL, Glenn Greenwald. He can take his opinions and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. He's just a right-wing authoritarian apologist.
 
No imagining if you are the banker/Wall Street oligarch and then get the current administration to give you a slap on the wrist at most after tanking the country overriding your own parties wishes for reform and justice,

Trump is just the end result of the past and if Biden doesn't fix the underlying economic inequalities be prepared for much worse than Trump.




If the democrat party government went after the Wall Street crooks with the same vigor they are going after Trump we would be much better off today.
That's right. Only the Democrats are responsible for fixing the government. If something isn't fixed, it's their fault.
 
Well in this case what did you want them to do? The plaintiffs didn’t ask for any damages, they just asked for him to stop doing it. Since he’s no longer president they got their wish.

This does reflect on the far larger issue of a lawless president using the courts to run out the clock, and this must be addressed. The last two years showed the president can effectively end oversight by refusing to comply with anything.
 
That's right. Only the Democrats are responsible for fixing the government. If something isn't fixed, it's their fault.
It's essentially an implicit admission that the Republican Party is not just absolutely useless in terms of helping the country when it is in power, but that it is actually a dangerous organization of criminals lying in wait to murder this country as soon as they successfully prevent the Democratic Party from doing anything beneficial for the country when the Democratic Party is in power.

I mean, I'm not making that argument up out of whole cloth here. Just read what he posted, and I quote: "be prepared for much worse than Trump. "

If your IQ is even close to room temperature, that statement is pretty fucking obvious: The Republican Party is going to MURDER THIS COUNTRY if the Democratic Party doesn't fix every problem...while the Republican Party tries its best to stop the Democratic Party from fixing problems.

Of course, right-wing authoritarian shit bags don't see it, and instead either blame the Democrats, or if they can't blame the Democrats, use the BigLie of BothSidesDoIt™. Because that's the entire draw of being a right-wing authoritarian shit bag.
 
Well in this case what did you want them to do? The plaintiffs didn’t ask for any damages, they just asked for him to stop doing it. Since he’s no longer president they got their wish.

This does reflect on the far larger issue of a lawless president using the courts to run out the clock, and this must be addressed. The last two years showed the president can effectively end oversight by refusing to comply with anything.

It reflects even more harshly on the electorate, sad to say. His voters knew he was a liar, a cheat, a thief & a con man the first time they voted for him. He bragged about it. Four years later, he got 11M more votes than the first time & nearly won the electoral college again with an even greater loss of the popular vote. None of it has been rational in the slightest. When his voters found themselves marching shoulder to shoulder with Russian psyops & a wide variety of deplorables they didn't even blink. Maybe now that it's over & the fact that he tried to overthrow the govt sinks in they'll be able to see it for what it was. They got set up for the big con with decades of culture war lies & deliberate disinformation.
 
It reflects even more harshly on the electorate, sad to say. His voters knew he was a liar, a cheat, a thief & a con man the first time they voted for him. He bragged about it. Four years later, he got 11M more votes than the first time & nearly won the electoral college again with an even greater loss of the popular vote. None of it has been rational in the slightest. When his voters found themselves marching shoulder to shoulder with Russian psyops & a wide variety of deplorables they didn't even blink. Maybe now that it's over & the fact that he tried to overthrow the govt sinks in they'll be able to see it for what it was. They got set up for the big con with decades of culture war lies & deliberate disinformation.
I think it reflects most harshly on our electoral system - a system where someone loses by 7 million votes and still has a credible chance of winning is a bad one.
 
I think it reflects most harshly on our electoral system - a system where someone loses by 7 million votes and still has a credible chance of winning is a bad one.

Tilt at that windmill all you want, but we have a better chance at changing minds than changing the electoral college. We'll have ample opportunity as we decompress from the Trump experience.
 
Meh. Between 1888 & 2000, the popular vote & the EC yielded the same result. Modern Republicans realized it was exploitable, so of course they did.
You can meh it, but it's still true.

The whole point of the EC is to allow a candidate who loses the popular vote to still win the Presidency. That it lined up here and there doesn't change that.

Best response: abolish the EC.

Second best response: adjust the House and Senate to make both bodies more representative: 435-> 1000 Reps; 2 Senators per State + Senators added on proportional to population. Then make the EC reflect the new House and Senate numbers and it will more approximate the popular vote. Or, you know just abolish the EC.
 
Tilt at that windmill all you want, but we have a better chance at changing minds than changing the electoral college. We'll have ample opportunity as we decompress from the Trump experience.
Nah, I think we have a good chance at changing the electoral college. Far better than finding some way to come up with a permanent 5+ point majority.
 
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