Trump's position on the 2nd Amendment

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm under no delusion that guns or lack thereof have any impact on the honesty of our government. Maybe a couple hundred years ago, sure. Today, no. The only thing that keeps honesty alive in government is people voting for the right candidates.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I agree with Trump here. He's still a douchebag.

 

[MongGrel]

So what in your view keeps government "honest"??

Nothing really, why it's so screwed up.

 

[JSt0rm]

Is trumps stance on guns surprising?

 

[Zor Prime]

Good to see your avatar denotes your IQ level. :twisted:

That was magnificent! Haha!

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Nothing really, why it's so screwed up.

I was asking Gonad the Barbarian.


Also while I'll agree in part that there is a level of dysfunctionality and corruption found within our federal government right now it could be a whole lot worse were it not for the fundamental threat of violent asymmetric warfare, i.e. rebellion that is promised by the fact that there are more guns than people in the US and that the right to own all those firearms is enshrined in our constitution.

 

[rommelrommel]

good to see trump jerking off your 2nd amendment hard-on

You are an artist with words.

 

[ivwshane]

So what in your view keeps government "honest"?? In other words what keeps our government from openly becoming a complete totalitarian state where it just chucks the US constitution into the dumpster?

Interesting. Who is this government you speak of? Is it some entity that exists outside of the voting process? The way I see it is that the ones most likely to bring tyranny are those that support the 2A above all else and claim to be uber patriotic Americans while shoving religion down everyone's throat while supporting or enacting laws that limit voting rights all while trying to preserve some America that used to exist or purposely trying to sabotage the America that exists now.

So it looks like there's two sides to the same coin, not some mythical second coin your imagination would have you believe.

I imagine your thoughts to be of similar logic as to what the southern states used when they tried to secede from the union. I'm sure they thought they were on the right side of history and they thought the government was beyond tyrannical as well.

 

[werepossum]

Ummm... ok. Clearly you're quiver is long empty

The sentence "Clearly you're quiver is long empty" is nonsense. Perhaps you meant o demonstrate your superior intellect by saying "Clearly your quiver is long empty"?

He calls for keeping guns out of the hands of the crazy and gang members,... how?

Because you are going to need more than 48 hours to determine who is crazy and / a gang member.

We're just lucky that crazy people and gang members are so law-abiding, huh?

The right to bear arms is a last backstop to keeping our government honest.

Well . . . maybe more like a last backstop to keeping our government from being totally dictatorial. We so long ago passed honest government we can't even remember what it looked like.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The sentence "Clearly you're quiver is long empty" is nonsense. Perhaps you meant o demonstrate your superior intellect by saying "Clearly your quiver is long empty"?


We're just lucky that crazy people and gang members are so law-abiding, huh?


Well . . . maybe more like a last backstop to keeping our government from being totally dictatorial. We so long ago passed honest government we can't even remember what it looked like.

Derp, you're 100% right. An oversight on my part. Kinda like you missing the t in to (meant o demonstrate)
Kinda nutty how easy it is for that to happen eh?

 

[MagickMan]

1: Middle East is proof that those armies fail against a dangerous populace.
2: Self defense would be mostly for other people with guns, criminals or otherwise.

Correct, a rooted and entrenched heavily-armed indigenous population is every military's worst nightmare.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Interesting. Who is this government you speak of? Is it some entity that exists outside of the voting process? The way I see it is that the ones most likely to bring tyranny are those that support the 2A above all else and claim to be uber patriotic Americans while shoving religion down everyone's throat while supporting or enacting laws that limit voting rights all while trying to preserve some America that used to exist or purposely trying to sabotage the America that exists now.

So it looks like there's two sides to the same coin, not some mythical second coin your imagination would have you believe.

I imagine your thoughts to be of similar logic as to what the southern states used when they tried to secede from the union. I'm sure they thought they were on the right side of history and they thought the government was beyond tyrannical as well.

The way you look at things it is often through a very distorted prism of your own partisan narrative that totally ignores and creates a rather large blind spot as to just how many people from all sides actually own firearms and support the 2nd amendment and most importantly ignores history and pretends that the left is never capable of totalitarianism. However if we go with your distorted premise and you think only one side is capable of tyranny well then that still doesn't disprove the need for the 2nd amendment does it? Nope, it does not.

 

[trenchfoot]

Correct, a rooted and entrenched heavily-armed indigenous population is every military's worst nightmare.

Somalians against the USA and the Afghani's against the Russians proved that beyond a shadow of doubt.

 

[ivwshane]

The way you look at things it is often through a very distorted prism of your own partisan narrative that totally ignores and creates a rather large blind spot as to just how many people from all sides actually own firearms and support the 2nd amendment and most importantly ignores history and pretends that the left is never capable of totalitarianism. However if we go with your distorted premise and you think only one side is capable of tyranny well then that still doesn't disprove the need for the 2nd amendment does it? Nope, it does not.

You should take your own advice. Your emotional investment into the issue keeps you from seeing the point. Tyranny isn't stopped by a gun nor is it created by those holding a gun. Tyranny is stopped via an educated populace and it's created via fear and propaganda. So while you are focused on ensuring the 2nd amendment is protected you've left unguarded all the other constitutional rights.
You and people like you are the problem, not the solution

 

[Strk]

I'm not convinced that the government could win a Whiskey Rebellion if it happened today. See the Bundy incident from last year. The 4th estate is considerably more powerful today.

Definitely. It has never been so true with all the access to information people have today.

 

[John Connor]

You are an artist with words.

HAHAHAHA! You must have a low standard for art.

 

[bradly1101]

An "organized militia" is just as much about offense as defense.