Trump's estranged niece publishing book about Trump and their childhood

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I'm telling you, every person who knows Trump well and doesn't have either their political fortunes, their jobs or their financial support linked to Trump will tell you the man is a piece of shit.


His niece is a clinical psychologist.

Here's the book:


In this revelatory, authoritative portrait of Donald J. Trump and the toxic family that made him, Mary L. Trump, a trained clinical psychologist and Donald’s only niece, shines a bright light on the dark history of their family in order to explain how her uncle became the man who now threatens the world’s health, economic security, and social fabric.
 

KMFJD

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i thought he had her under an nda, or was that another niece?
 

woolfe9998

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i thought he had her under an nda, or was that another niece?

He only has one niece. If she's under NDA, she's decided to violate it.

She also claims to be the primary source on NYT's previous extensive reporting on Trump's tax and financial history. She must really, really despise Trump. From what we know publicly, it isn't difficult to understand why.
 
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I assume that a proper lawyer might be able to argue that any NDA can be ignored for reasons of national security and public interest....which this very well could be.

As the Trump family stole ~$500million in Tax payer money to create D Trump's "fortune," and that is what this applies to, I think that is in the public interest.

The worst of republicans will use the NDA as "a reason we can't know this!" instead of the adult rationalizing that we should probably know if this president really did steal such a vast amount of our public wealth.
 

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I assume that a proper lawyer might be able to argue that any NDA can be ignored for reasons of national security and public interest....which this very well could be.

As the Trump family stole ~$500million in Tax payer money to create D Trump's "fortune," and that is what this applies to, I think that is in the public interest.

The worst of republicans will use the NDA as "a reason we can't know this!" instead of the adult rationalizing that we should probably know if this president really did steal such a vast amount of our public wealth.

I don't think the book mainly pertains to Trump's financial history. It's really about their mutual childhood, Trump's dysfunctional family, and how this turned Trump into a narcissist egomaniac.

So far as Trump's remedies in court, it's going to depend on a lot of things, but most important are the precise terms of the NDA itself.

Courts are apt to disfavor injunctive relief when it comes to publications, on First Amendment grounds. They prefer to allow publication, and permit the plaintiff to sue for money damages if the plaintiff can prove financial harm. However, that is not always the case. Sometimes injunctions are granted.
 
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I’m not going to follow this, her side of the family has a ton of signs of being even more screwed up. I simply don’t trust the info.
 
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I’m not going to follow this, her side of the family has a ton of signs of being even more screwed up. I simply don’t trust the info.

Lets face it, the niece's book is little more than celebrity gossip and should hold no more weight.
Bolton's might have a bit more value, but unless he can back a good bit of it up, it is not much better.
 

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Lets face it, the niece's book is little more than celebrity gossip and should hold no more weight.
Bolton's might have a bit more value, but unless he can back a good bit of it up, it is not much better.

The fact he neglected to back it up under oath speaks volumes, no matter how accurate his writing or meticulous his notes.

The fact Bolton is practically “blaming” House Democrats now for not looking beyond Ukraine and limiting the scope of impeachment is hilarious.
 

woolfe9998

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I’m not going to follow this, her side of the family has a ton of signs of being even more screwed up. I simply don’t trust the info.

If it's her word against Trump's, I'm likely to take her word on it.

So far as her "side of family," you're going to have to show me what specifically damages her credibility. I will remind you that she was a principle source behind NYT's lengthy piece on Trump's tax and financial history, information which no doubt NYT carefully vetted and checked against information from other sources.
 
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If it's her word against Trump's, I'm likely to take her word on it.

So far as her "side of family," you're going to have to show me what specifically damages her credibility. I will remind you that she was a principle source behind NYT's lengthy piece on Trump's tax and financial history, information which no doubt NYT carefully vetted and checked against information from other sources.
Yes, so far 100% of the information we can trace back to her has proven accurate so there's no particular reason to distrust her.

And yes, Trump CLAIMS there is some NDA involved, but Trump lies about everything. Clearly she, her lawyer, and the publisher don't think the NDA precludes publication or it's hard to see why they would have chosen to proceed.
 
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Yes, so far 100% of the information we can trace back to her has proven accurate so there's no particular reason to distrust her.

And yes, Trump CLAIMS there is some NDA involved, but Trump lies about everything. Clearly she, her lawyer, and the publisher don't think the NDA precludes publication or it's hard to see why they would have chosen to proceed.

Yup, my approach to all subjects involving a credibility dispute between Trump and some other person is, who you gonna believe? We already know the credibility of one side of the equation. If someone wants to claim that we should be suspicious of the other side, they need to present some damn strong evidence to convince me.

This goes for Mary Trump, Bolton or anyone else.
 
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Yup, my approach to all subjects involving a credibility dispute between Trump and some other person is, who you gonna believe? We already know the credibility of one side of the equation. If someone wants to claim that we should be suspicious of the other side, they need to present some damn strong evidence to convince me.

This goes for Mary Trump, Bolton or anyone else.
Yes, my default rubric is in a contest of credibility between Trump and literally any other person I go with the other person until proven otherwise.
 

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Denied...for now.


A New York judge on Thursday rejected on jurisdictional grounds a legal effort by President Donald Trump’s brother to halt the publication next month of a tell-all book by the president’s niece, Mary Trump — but the brother’s lawyer said the case will be refiled in another court.

The ruling in Queens County Surrogate’s Court by Judge Peter Kelly came just two days Trump’s brother, Robert Trump, said in a court filing that Mary Trump would be violating a nondisclosure agreement if the book is published.
 
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Isn't prior restraint on the basis of an NDA extremely unlikely to be granted?

The plaintiff can pursue civil action for claimed breach of the NDA but that's really it IIRC.
 

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Isn't prior restraint on the basis of an NDA extremely unlikely to be granted?

The plaintiff can pursue civil action for claimed breach of the NDA but that's really it IIRC.
From my understanding this is a Hail Mary. (Har)
 

woolfe9998

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Isn't prior restraint on the basis of an NDA extremely unlikely to be granted?

The plaintiff can pursue civil action for claimed breach of the NDA but that's really it IIRC.

Yeah, it rarely if ever happens. This result was just as predictable as the result with the Bolton book. The courts were never going to restrain publication of those books.

I think it's funny that Trump had his brother take action here. As if we don't know who's really behind it.
 

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He only has one niece. If she's under NDA, she's decided to violate it.

She also claims to be the primary source on NYT's previous extensive reporting on Trump's tax and financial history. She must really, really despise Trump. From what we know publicly, it isn't difficult to understand why.
I believe rec ently within the last year it has been reported that the NDA that Trump asks people to sign will not hold up in a court of law, because they are specific rnough!
 

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Amazon isn't ATM featuring a "look inside." But it does say this:
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In this revelatory, authoritative portrait of Donald J. Trump and the toxic family that made him, Mary L. Trump, a trained clinical psychologist and Donald’s only niece, shines a bright light on the dark history of their family in order to explain how her uncle became the man who now threatens the world’s health, economic security, and social fabric.

Mary Trump spent much of her childhood in her grandparents’ large, imposing house in the heart of Queens, New York, where Donald and his four siblings grew up. She describes a nightmare of traumas, destructive relationships, and a tragic combination of neglect and abuse. She explains how specific events and general family patterns created the damaged man who currently occupies the Oval Office, including the strange and harmful relationship between Fred Trump and his two oldest sons, Fred Jr. and Donald.

A firsthand witness to countless holiday meals and interactions, Mary brings an incisive wit and unexpected humor to sometimes grim, often confounding family events. She recounts in unsparing detail everything from her uncle Donald’s place in the family spotlight and Ivana’s penchant for regifting to her grandmother’s frequent injuries and illnesses and the appalling way Donald, Fred Trump’s favorite son, dismissed and derided him when he began to succumb to Alzheimer’s.

Numerous pundits, armchair psychologists, and journalists have sought to parse Donald J. Trump’s lethal flaws. Mary L. Trump has the education, insight, and intimate familiarity needed to reveal what makes Donald, and the rest of her clan, tick. She alone can recount this fascinating, unnerving saga, not just because of her insider’s perspective but also because she is the only Trump willing to tell the truth about one of the world’s most powerful and dysfunctional families.
 

woolfe9998

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She stepped down due to financial shenanigans

Specifically it was because of revelations in the NYT article that came out last year about Trump family finances, revealing that all Fred Trump's children were likely involved in tax cheating schemes. For which Mary Trump was apparently the main source of information.
 
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