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compuwiz1

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All of your confusion will clear up once you realize the media is not trying to help the Democrats win. I know the conservative media you consume constantly tells you this but they are lying to you. You're so close to seeing it too as you can't make sense of how to fit what the media is actually doing with what you think they should be doing given your understanding.

It should have also been abundantly clear to you the media was not trying to help Democrats win in 2016. For example:

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Does that look like a newspaper that's trying to help Hillary Clinton? Hahaha.

It's not about occasional pieces like this, its about airtime. They spent much more airtime on Trump and continue to do so. As for the media is not trying to help Democrats win, that is what I have been telling you. The media is not trying to help Democrats win, but the perhaps unintended consequence is they are helping Trump. That is what I'm saying.

Publicity + airtime = promoting for a win. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as the saying goes.
 

fskimospy

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It's not about occasional pieces like this, its about airtime. They spent much more airtime on Trump and continue to do so. As for the media is not trying to help Democrats win, that is what I have been telling you. The media is not trying to help Democrats win, but the perhaps unintended consequence is they are helping Trump. That is what I'm saying.

Publicity + airtime = promoting for a win. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as the saying goes.

Yes, I absolutely agree. You said you thought the media was engaging in a bad strategy because it would help Trump win though, which again misunderstands their strategy.

The media would be perfectly happy with another four years of Trump as it will be a continued divisive, conflicted shit show. That means more eyeballs.
 
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Vic

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It's not about occasional pieces like this, its about airtime. They spent much more airtime on Trump and continue to do so. As for the media is not trying to help Democrats win, that is what I have been telling you. The media is not trying to help Democrats win, but the perhaps unintended consequence is they are helping Trump. That is what I'm saying.

Publicity + airtime = promoting for a win. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as the saying goes.
Duh. Now why don't you spread this message to your fellow MAGAs, who ceaselessly demand media censorship by falsely claiming that the 'liberal media' is biased against him, rather than lecturing the liberals who have already known this since 2016?
 

Vic

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That is your opinion. I'm saying it's a stupid strategy that is not helping Democrats win. They threw everything at Trump they could muster during the 2016 election cycle and he still got elected. Do you have good reason to believe this failed strategy is going to somehow work in 2020?
Your mistake is assuming the strategy failed. Quite the opposite, it succeeded fabulously.

MAGAs hate the mainstream media and liberal Hollywood while ignoring that the MSM is owned almost entirely by conservatives and the only 2 actor Presidents ever elected were Reagan and Trump.
 

Vic

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False
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Trump may be a lot of things, but he is not a warmonger. That's just unfounded paranoia. He's had plenty of opportunity and if his ambitions were to go around bombing the shit out of, and destroying, he would have done it by now. Be real, don't make disingenuous statements without any facts to back them up.
So why don't you tell us why Trump has increased the military budget by 20% since taking office less than 3 years ago? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that nationalist policies always lead to war, right?
 

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So why don't you tell us why Trump has increased the military budget by 20% since taking office less than 3 years ago? I'm sure it has nothing with the fact that nationalist policies always lead to war, right?

How would it look if we were attacked severely, by a rogue nation and caught flat footed without the proper personnel or equipment to fight? What's been implemented, rebuilding our Military, is called preparedness, something Obama didn't understand, or didn't care about. We can't be a super power without such contingency structure in place.
 

Vic

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How would it look if we were attacked severely, by a rogue nation and caught flat footed without the proper personnel or equipment to fight? What's been implemented, rebuilding our Military, is called preparedness, something Obama didn't understand, or didn't care about. We can't be a super power without such contingency structure in place.

Your argument here is based on an entirely unsupported premise, which is that there was a lack of military preparedness under Obama. That is completely false. You also included an emotional appeal that he didn't understand or case about your false premise, which is so contrary to observable reality as to be ridiculous. Military spending and preparedness increased every year under Obama.

Now try and answer my questions here, if you can.
 
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Meghan54

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Your argument here is based on an entirely unsupported premise, which is that there was a lack of military preparedness under Obama. That is completely false. You also included an emotional appeal that he didn't understand or case about your false premise, which is so contrary to observable reality as to be ridiculous. Military spending and preparedness increased every year under Obama.

Now try and answer my questions here, if you can.


Damn.....there you go again injecting facts into an otherwise perfectly good incoherent, feel-based rant. Hope you feel better now! ;)
 

Vic

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Damn.....there you go again injecting facts into an otherwise perfectly good incoherent, feel-based rant. Hope you feel better now! ;)
There is a legitimate danger to freedom in Trumpism that MAGAs ignore because that danger -- which is believing whatever appeals to one's feelings and then implementing those self-serving beliefs as policy regardless of their objective truth or consequences -- is exactly what they believe is freedom.

But if your definition of freedom of religion is freedom for your religion, and not anyone else's, then you don't believe in freedom of religion.
And if your definition of freedom of speech is that your free speech is infringed upon anytime someone else speaks to disagree with your speech, such as how the MAGAs define free speech, then you don't believe in free speech. Period.
 
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There is a legitimate danger to freedom in Trumpism that MAGAs ignore because that danger -- which is believing whatever appeals to one's feelings and then implementing those self-serving beliefs as policy regardless of their objective truth or consequences -- is exactly what they believe is freedom.

But if your definition of freedom of religion is freedom for your religion, and not anyone else's, then you don't believe in freedom.
And if your definition of freedom of speech is that your free speech is infringed upon anytime someone else speaks to disagree with your speech, such as how the MAGAs define free speech, then you don't believe in free speech. Period.

You sir, are twisting things to fit your view, kind of like a Democrat's. Your feelings and the feelings of others like you are what allows Trump to troll you all the way he does. It's some pretty funny shit watching people get twisted into knots. Nothing ever turns out as badly as you libs proclaim it is, or is gonna be. Frankly, I find it hilarious. Most of the time all this "the sky is falling" chicken little shit, turns out to be nothing burgers. Russia! Russia! Russia! is the lefts Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Bazinga! :cool:
 

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You sir, are twisting things to fit your view, kind of like a Democrat's. Your feelings and the feelings of others like you are what allows Trump to troll you all the way he does. It's some pretty funny shit watching people get twisted into knots. Nothing ever turns out as badly as you libs proclaim it is, or is gonna be. Frankly, I find it hilarious. Most of the time all this "the sky is falling" chicken little shit, turns out to be nothing burgers. Russia! Russia! Russia! is the lefts Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Bazinga! :cool:

It doesn't bother you that Russia illegally intervened in our elections to get their preferred candidate in office and that their intervention was reasonably likely to have been decisive?

After all, if you think their illegal hacking/disinformation campaign could reasonably have affected one half of one percent of voters that means Clinton probably wins.
 

Vic

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You sir, are twisting things to fit your view, kind of like a Democrat's. Your feelings and the feelings of others like you are what allows Trump to troll you all the way he does. It's some pretty funny shit watching people get twisted into knots. Nothing ever turns out as badly as you libs proclaim it is, or is gonna be. Frankly, I find it hilarious. Most of the time all this "the sky is falling" chicken little shit, turns out to be nothing burgers. Russia! Russia! Russia! is the lefts Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Bazinga! :cool:

Lol. Says some guy who chicken-littled Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! here for years.
 

Vic

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It doesn't bother you that Russia illegally intervened in our elections to get their preferred candidate in office and that their intervention was reasonably likely to have been decisive?

After all, if you think their illegal hacking/disinformation campaign could reasonably have affected one half of one percent of voters that means Clinton probably wins.
But but.. he was wrong about Benghazi therefore, under his self-serving ultra-partisan 'logic,' that means that liberals must be wrong Russia, despite all the evidence, etc.
 

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It doesn't bother you that Russia illegally intervened in our elections to get their preferred candidate in office and that their intervention was reasonably likely to have been decisive?

After all, if you think their illegal hacking/disinformation campaign could reasonably have affected one half of one percent of voters that means Clinton probably wins.

Of course it does. I don't recall being asked by any Russians to cast my vote for any particular person. Let me ask you this - since Trump wasn't president when these goings ons were discovered, who was President?
 

JEDIYoda

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#1 the edit has been around since 2014.

#2 Trump needs to stop being a little baby. Seriously, is this how Alphas act? Like whine little babies?
there is no way in hell that trump is an alpha personality!! Maybe he is a "C" personality and you can take that "C" to mean whatever you wish.....
 

fskimospy

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Of course it does. I don't recall being asked by any Russians to cast my vote for any particular person.

That's not how propaganda works.

Let me ask you this - since Trump wasn't president when these goings ons were discovered, who was President?

If you want to get mad at Obama for failing to more effectively counteract Russian intervention then I agree! Don't forget to condemn Mitch McConnell as well though. Also if it really does bother you, you might want to ask yourself why Trump is not only not acting to prevent it in 2020, he appears to be actively encouraging additional foreign intervention. Sounds bad!

Regardless, when the Democrats talk about the Russians it's because that shit actually happened and it's been proven. Compare that to the Benghazi nonsense.
 

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That's not how propaganda works.



If you want to get mad at Obama for failing to more effectively counteract Russian intervention then I agree! Don't forget to condemn Mitch McConnell as well though. Also if it really does bother you, you might want to ask yourself why Trump is not only not acting to prevent it in 2020, he appears to be actively encouraging additional foreign intervention. Sounds bad!

Regardless, when the Democrats talk about the Russians it's because that shit actually happened and it's been proven. Compare that to the Benghazi nonsense.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm saying I don't know anyone who's vote was influenced by Russia. But, the idea that Trump was responsible, complicit or colluded is absolutely false and it has been debunked. People have been advocating his removal over Russia's influence, which just wasn't something he had any responsibility for, nor was his candidacy the first where this has happened.
 

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But, the idea that Trump was responsible, complicit or colluded is absolutely false and it has been debunked. People have been advocating his removal over Russia's influence, which just wasn't something he had any responsibility for, nor was his candidacy the first where this has happened.
Liar.
 

fskimospy

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I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm saying I don't know anyone who's vote was influenced by Russia.

Again though, that's not how this works. Propaganda and advertising seek to change your opinions subconsciously. I think anyone who thinks one half of one percent of voters couldn't have been influenced by that concerted campaign is being unrealistic.

But, the idea that Trump was responsible, complicit or colluded is absolutely false and it has been debunked. People have been advocating his removal over Russia's influence, which just wasn't something he had any responsibility for, nor was his candidacy the first where this has happened.

While we have not established that Trump's campaign was complicit in the hacking or release of the DNC emails, that his campaign colluded with the Russian government or sought to collude with them has already been proven.

After all, Trump's son, son in law, and campaign manager expressly set up a meeting with representatives of the Russian government to get dirt on Clinton. It's in their own words and you can read it yourself!

 

Vic

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He's trying very hard to prove that Democrats are wrong about Russia because Republicans were wrong about Benghazi (but without admitting that he was wrong about Benghazi).
Self-serving 'logic' at its 'finest.'

Meanwhile, MAGAs will continue to claim that they hate the 'biased liberal media' and 'godless liberal Hollywood' even though the 'biased liberal media' clearly loves Trump, and MAGAs are the only ones ever to elect a 'godless liberal Hollywood' actor to the White House.. twice.
 
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How would it look if we were attacked severely, by a rogue nation and caught flat footed without the proper personnel or equipment to fight? What's been implemented, rebuilding our Military, is called preparedness, something Obama didn't understand, or didn't care about. We can't be a super power without such contingency structure in place.

Yes, imagine that the US isn't spending enough money on 'defense' and needs more.

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How would it look if we were attacked severely, by a rogue nation and caught flat footed without the proper personnel or equipment to fight? What's been implemented, rebuilding our Military, is called preparedness, something Obama didn't understand, or didn't care about. We can't be a super power without such contingency structure in place.

Oh give me a break. You think our military was "flatfooted" and unprepared prior to Trump? That's asinine.
Meanwhile under Trump people are leaving the pentagon in droves and he can't keep top military brass from leaving his WH assignments. THAT is what is going to cause our military to be "unprepared"