Trump White House to keep visitor logs private

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This has got to end. Seriously.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/14/politics/white-house-visitor-logs-private/index.html

Trump White House to keep visitor logs private

(CNN)The Trump administration said Friday it will not release logs of White House visitors, breaking with a precedent set by the Obama administration and shrouding Trump's activities in the West Wing in secrecy.

The decision was made in light of the "grave national security risks and privacy concerns of the hundreds of thousands of visitors annually," according to White House Communications Director Michael Dubke.

He said the administration would instead follow a legal precedent based on a 2013 court ruling that determined visitor logs were presidential records and not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

The move, first reported by Time magazine, is a break from the previous administration, which established a website where users could search records of people cleared into the White House complex for meetings and events.

The Obama administration created that service after lawsuits demanding the release of the visitor records. During his tenure, Obama's administration released millions of visitor records, which are still accessible online. The records were not available instantaneously, however, and often took months before they were posted online.

Former administration officials said the visitor records -- which are created when someone without a permanent credential submits their information to the Secret Service -- were parsed monthly to remove any potentially sensitive meetings from the official record.
Officials said that sensitive meetings -- including interviews of potential Supreme Court justices and huddles with top national security officials -- were scrubbed from the official records. The Obama administration also maintained that guests at private social gatherings, which the Obamas held occasionally in their private residence, were exempt from having their names listed on the logs.
The records that were released contained information about who a visitor was meeting within the White House complex, what time they arrived, and how long they remained inside.

The Trump administration was sued this week by several watchdog groups seeking access to the records, which have not been released since Trump took office, insisting the records are actually the property of the Secret Service, which is subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

Democrats in Congress have also introduced legislation that would require the Trump administration to maintain and disclose the names of visitors at places aside the White House where he conducts business, including his private Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.

On Friday, Dubke defended the White House's decision by citing other areas he said was demonstrating new levels of transparency.
"By instituting historic restrictions on lobbying to close the revolving door, expanding and elevating ethics within the White House Counsel's office, and opening the White House press briefing room to media outlets that otherwise cannot gain access, the Trump administration has broken new ground in ensuring our government is both ethical and accessible to the American people," Dubke said.

The Citizens of Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a group that's taken legal action pursuing the records' release, blasted the Trump administration's decision Friday.

"It's disappointing that the man who promised to 'drain the swamp' just took a massive step away from transparency by refusing the release the White House visitor logs that the American people have grown accustomed to accessing over the last six years and that provide indispensable information about who is seeking to influence the president," said Noah Bookbinder, the executive director of CREW.

"The Obama administration agreed to release the visitor logs in response to our lawsuits, and despite the Trump administration's worry over 'grave national security risks and concerns,' only positives for the American people came out of them," Bookbinder said. "This week, we sued the Trump administration to make sure they would continue to release the logs. It looks like we'll see them in court."

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Younigue

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Ugh, it's never ending with this Administration. It makes me feel helpless. I didn't think Americans, regardless of party tolerated... well, whatever all of this is. At some point shouldn't the people band together and go after the real problem? How are we not there yet? How is it possible there are reasonable people still defending this Administration and their Pig Master? They aren't all Cult45's.
 

brycejones

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Trump's tweet is priceless. But the actual policy shift is not surprising in the least.

For a guy who ran as a populist this is rapidly turning into a very closed and highly unpopulist administration in actuality. Shocking I know.

The FCC is a shit show now
The EPA is soon going to have be renamed to Every Polluter Accepted
The President has the vocabulary of a drunk 9 year old. Who would believe Trump would make W look like a great public speaker?
The President takes zero leadership in actually trying to implement the policies he espoused during the campaign sub-contracting it out to congress and accepting whatever crap they come up with and calling it the best ever even it is the exact opposite of what he said wanted to do.

I don't have time for the rest of it. Need to spend some quality time with struts and brakes on my CX-9 today.
 

flexy

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I've always said he's not even a real "populist". He's a fake populist as some correctly pointed out. He's a fraud, no more.
 

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Ugh, it's never ending with this Administration. It makes me feel helpless. I didn't think Americans, regardless of party tolerated... well, whatever all of this is. At some point shouldn't the people band together and go after the real problem? How are we not there yet? How is it possible there are reasonable people still defending this Administration and their Pig Master? They aren't all Cult45's.
They're all waiting in line for the iPhone anniversary edition, if Timmy doesn't deliver on cheap "made in America" iPhones the people may revolt & overthrow the current incompetent govt.
I've always said he's not even a real "populist". He's a fake populist as some correctly pointed out. He's a fraud, no more.
So long as the public get their daily dose of cable TV or Faux news, none will care as it apparently doesn't affect them directly. People generally don't react to a crisis, like global warming, unless their own house is on fire.
 

Younigue

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Hidden vistor logs?! How will I survive today?!

This is a non issue.

After some thought I've come to the same conclusion but not because Trump and friends are trustworthy. It dawned on me that any shady dealings with shady people would never be logged in any way. As for those who are signed in?... those ugly policy discussions... well, we keep seeing those results over and over again so no surprises there.

However, it is more evidence that this President is a weasel. He takes a lot of pride in being as despicable as possible all while laughing at the American people. Good thing he takes his love of Putin to heart. He certainly doesn't laugh at him or consider him beneath him. That romance needs not only to be exposed but written about and then made in to the most epic love story of all time for theatre. The Notebook won't even be able to hold a candle to it. Kate and Leo, you had your time in the spotlight.

I digress... Whoever actually winds up in those log books, likely not something any one need concern themselves with. Though he does keep making moves that will make him above reproach. It's comical in its petulance and corrupt thinking but one way or another he will be held accountable. Rich child gon' pay in a way his wealth has always protected him from before. And I think he's fully aware becoming President was a goal he never should have reached for. I've said it before, he holds nothing but disdain for the people but his disdain is worse for those who put him in this position.
 

Meghan54

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After some thought I've come to the same conclusion but not because Trump and friends are trustworthy. It dawned on me that any shady dealings with shady people would never be logged in any way. As for those who are signed in?... those ugly policy discussions... well, we keep seeing those results over and over again so no surprises there.


Understand the "logs" are more correctly records of people who've submitted their information to the Secret Service to gain entry into the White House, if they don't have standing clearance already. It's not a guest log-in situation.
 

PottedMeat

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looks like a business opportunity to photograph incoming vehicles and people off the grounds and sell them
 

Younigue

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Understand the "logs" are more correctly records of people who've submitted their information to the Secret Service to gain entry into the White House, if they don't have standing clearance already. It's not a guest log-in situation.
Thank you. I did know that but my simpler mind wants the keyboard.
 

brycejones

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Also remember, Obama was sued by the Republicans to make the visitor's log open to the public. Guess they'll rise up and demand Trump do the same thing......any minute now........

Whatever you do, don't hold your breath.
 

JSt0rm

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Also remember, Obama was sued by the Republicans to make the visitor's log open to the public. Guess they'll rise up and demand Trump do the same thing......any minute now........

Pcgeek will get right on that.
 

shortylickens

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Which is funny cuz he spends most of his time in Mara Lago and could have all the private meetings he wants.
 

fskimospy

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The visitor logs are mostly a non-issue as they can easily be gotten around pretty easily. For example there are no visitor logs at all at Mar-a-Lago, meaning that all he has to do to avoid transparency is have people visit him when he's down there... meaning basically any weekend. This of course makes him a hypocrite, but it's not like we're short on things in that department.

Then again it's kind of sad and worrying that this sort of venial corruption that would have been a big deal for previous presidents (see Dick Cheney's energy task force, etc) is so dwarfed by Trump's larger corruption that it barely registers. This is of course the point at which Congress is supposed to step in and either reign him in or remove him, but such is life. Thanks, congressional Republicans for doing a bang-up job!
 

alien42

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