Trump want to open Tyson meat plant in Waterloo IA that caused 90% of the town's COVID-19 cases

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trenchfoot

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So like Napoleon before him, Trump plans to lose the battle of Waterloo?


Problem with Trump though in his addled head he never lost anything to anybody throughout his whole privileged entitled wealth bequeathed life because he possesses this amazing power of rationalizing away his many failures and personality disorders such that he's convinced himself he's never wrong because he's never wrong, he's just misunderstood.

He's been getting away with shit a normal person of meager means would never have been able to, all due to his wealth and the legacy his father left him to exploit at his leisure. He thought he'd get away with even more shit at a much higher level than he'd ever thought possible when he got gifted with a presidency that gave him direct access to the other leaders of the world of whom he thought he could charm or strong arm into his sway, never realizing his new job had a pesky catch to it: he was now answerable to the peasants he became responsible for, of whom he looked down on and sneered at his whole spoiled brat life.

Therein lies two major problems he thought he'd never have: millions of people that never wanted him to be their president and knew exactly why they disapproved and a news media that treated him like they treated every other president before him, yet he thought he was the exceptional exemption for some lame ass reason or another.
 
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sportage

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The pandemic is entering a new phase.
Under Donald Trump, under republican governors, the new phase will be known as DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL, and COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP.

Where and when possible, the numbers will be kept secret from the public. No one will know how many tested positive at this plant or at that plant. The republican governor(s) will keep that testing information protected and the meat plants themselves will refuse to release any numbers or information to the media nor to the public. And the governor(s) will protect those meat plants from any legal threats for not releasing their testing numbers. No one will know anything and that includes the workers themselves. Donald Trump will claim everything is just peachy, the republican governors will claim everything is just peachy and under control, and the plants will do what they do, lie about everything.

The meat plants will spread their BS that their number one concern is for their worker safety while inside the plant will be a totally different reality. Workers will be threatened to not talk to the media, and the media will be bared from ever asking. And in the end, regardless of the deaths and infections, Donald Trump and republican governor(s) will continue to claim everything is great. While over at Fox News, Fox will be consumed with the sexual peccadillos of Joe Biden as if that matters to anyone or that anyone cares.

Can you imagine if even a fraction of what is now happening had happened during Barack Obama administration? Obama would be eaten alive. Obama would be personally blamed for every single covid 19 death. Senate Republicans would read aloud on the senate floor the names of every single covid 19 death as the deaths take place and link each death directly to president Obama.

Back during Vietnam and LBJ protestors had little chants. Like, LBJ LBJ, HOW MANY KIDS DID YOU KILL TODAY?
I think it's time for some anti-Trump chants.
 
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HomerJS

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So the solution is to shut down all food processing? does something make you think that would be better than the pandemic?
Solution is if you are going to require the plant stay open know what else should be required?

Proper PPE
regular testing of every employee Minimum daily.
Proper distancing based on CDC guidelines.
Staff rotated more often

None of that was mandated. Basically Trump is sacrificing the workers to keep his burgers.
 

Greenman

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Solution is if you are going to require the plant stay open know what else should be required?

Proper PPE
regular testing of every employee Minimum daily.
Proper distancing based on CDC guidelines.
Staff rotated more often

None of that was mandated. Basically Trump is sacrificing the workers to keep his burgers.
How many meals are you willing to skip to keep those workers safe? Lets assume our overall food supply is reduced by 50%, can we count on you to reduce your food intake by 50% for as long as the pandemic lasts? This is your chance to be a real hero, to stand up for the things you believe in.

Testing daily may be possible. Distancing may not be possible without rebuilding the facility. Staff rotated more often increases exposure, I don't see the logic in that one.

Why is removing at risk individuals not a viable approach? We know people that are already sick have a much greater chance of dying from covid19, so lets remove those folks from the workforce. This seems like the simplest approach with the best outcome. Healthy people rarely die from covid19, that's not a Trump fact, it's not speculation or wishful thinking, it's proven beyond doubt, so lets use that information. Lets put healthy people into our food production industry and eliminate potential shortages while keeping at risk individuals insulated from exposure.
 
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cytg111

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What about the workers families? You know they spend most of their time at home.

With proper testing and guidelines I dont think they will be at more risc than anybody else.
Mandatory morning testing for all. Something like that.
 

HomerJS

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How many meals are you willing to skip to keep those workers safe? Lets assume our overall food supply is reduced by 50%, can we count on you to reduce your food intake by 50% for as long as the pandemic lasts? This is your chance to be a real hero, to stand up for the things you believe in.

Testing daily may be possible. Distancing may not be possible without rebuilding the facility. Staff rotated more often increases exposure, I don't see the logic in that one.

Why is removing at risk individuals not a viable approach? We know people that are already sick have a much greater chance of dying from covid19, so lets remove those folks from the workforce. This seems like the simplest approach with the best outcome. Healthy people rarely die from covid19, that's not a Trump fact, it's not speculation or wishful thinking, it's proven beyond doubt, so lets use that information. Lets put healthy people into our food production industry and eliminate potential shortages while keeping at risk individuals insulated from exposure.
I'll answer the question this way.

How many human lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to get your daily dose of burgers?

Just put the fucking safety requirements in place. I can eat less meat during the week if that's what it takes.

How about fucking testing? What's your excuse for not doing that??
 

Jhhnn

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With proper testing and guidelines I dont think they will be at more risc than anybody else.
Mandatory morning testing for all. Something like that.

I tthink it needs to be understood that they're at higher risk simply because of their work environment. There are a lot of people in a relatively crowded environment. They share common areas like break rooms & locker rooms. You can't eat lunch wearing a mask or just stay at your work station to do it. Most of the areas in a packing plant are kept quite cool, 53F, to inhibit the growth of bacterial pathogens. Some areas are even colder. They're naturally humid. That all promotes virus survival. The one big positive is that they're cleaned & disinfected quite often. Similar yet varying conditions exist in all sorts of food processing facilities. Everything we buy at the Grocer is processed to some degree or another & handled by multiple people on the path from the earth to our mouths. It's absolutely necessary that the work continue.
 

brycejones

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I tthink it needs to be understood that they're at higher risk simply because of their work environment. There are a lot of people in a relatively crowded environment. They share common areas like break rooms & locker rooms. You can't eat lunch wearing a mask or just stay at your work station to do it. Most of the areas in a packing plant are kept quite cool, 53F, to inhibit the growth of bacterial pathogens. Some areas are even colder. They're naturally humid. That all promotes virus survival. The one big positive is that they're cleaned & disinfected quite often. Similar yet varying conditions exist in all sorts of food processing facilities. Everything we buy at the Grocer is processed to some degree or another & handled by multiple people on the path from the earth to our mouths. It's absolutely necessary that the work continue.

Meat processing is probably the most labor intensive food prep there is and the lines are designed to have dozens of workers standing shoulder to shoulder it has challenges that other food processors do not. We can all survive on a little leas meat in our diet since the average American eats far more than is necessary from a dietary perspective.
 

Fenixgoon

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How many meals are you willing to skip to keep those workers safe? Lets assume our overall food supply is reduced by 50%, can we count on you to reduce your food intake by 50% for as long as the pandemic lasts? This is your chance to be a real hero, to stand up for the things you believe in.

Testing daily may be possible. Distancing may not be possible without rebuilding the facility. Staff rotated more often increases exposure, I don't see the logic in that one.

Why is removing at risk individuals not a viable approach? We know people that are already sick have a much greater chance of dying from covid19, so lets remove those folks from the workforce. This seems like the simplest approach with the best outcome. Healthy people rarely die from covid19, that's not a Trump fact, it's not speculation or wishful thinking, it's proven beyond doubt, so lets use that information. Lets put healthy people into our food production industry and eliminate potential shortages while keeping at risk individuals insulated from exposure.

Sick people still can't work. So even if you remove those highest at risk for death, you still have plenty of people who can contract and transmit the virus. No, they probably won't die, they'll just get everyone in the facility sick and then the whole plant is shut down anyway because of lack of manpower.
 

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LoL yall are fkn funny guys. It comes down to risk / reward and going into a infectious meat plant doesnt sound like it comes with many (any) rewards. One person in the thread said it and it's pretty damn simple.

Reward the workers! What does the average dr make in iowa? Double it and give it to the workers until this shit is over. $150/hr sounds nice.

Food supply is important.

Otherwise round up all these trump nutting 'patriots' and get them to these plants ASAP. They are ready to work and think the virus is a hoax. lol
 

SteveGrabowski

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I don't know if these plants typcially run 24 hours a day, but if not, split the workers into groups. Half on a day shift, half on a graveyard, process half as much in each shift and then you could at least double the space in between them without affecting production. Of course they'd have to pay extra to get people on graveyard and you know profit is much more important that human life, so I guess forget I said anything?
 

brycejones

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I don't know if these plants typcially run 24 hours a day, but if not, split the workers into groups. Half on a day shift, half on a graveyard, process half as much in each shift and then you could at least double the space in between them without affecting production. Of course they'd have to pay extra to get people on graveyard and you know profit is much more important that human life, so I guess forget I said anything?
Typically 2 shifts with a 3rd shift that sanitizes the line and equipment.
 
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Greenman

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I'll answer the question this way.

How many human lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to get your daily dose of burgers?

Just put the fucking safety requirements in place. I can eat less meat during the week if that's what it takes.

How about fucking testing? What's your excuse for not doing that??
No issue with testing, but if you have a healthy work force at those facility's it isn't critical. That leaves those resources available to others. Healthy people rarely die from covid19. Why is that so hard to understand? If your sick or old, stay home. Everyone else wears a mask and washes their hands. We know who dies and we know who doesn't, so why put sick people at risk at all? This is all I'm saying, it's not political, it's not some wild conspiracy theory, it's a simple short term solution to a problem we have right now.
I understand that you want to be angry at Trump, you want to blame him for the pandemic, but we don't have to create critical situations to do that, there are plenty of those available all across the country. Lets leave food production out of.
 

brycejones

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No issue with testing, but if you have a healthy work force at those facility's it isn't critical. That leaves those resources available to others. Healthy people rarely die from covid19. Why is that so hard to understand? If your sick or old, stay home. Everyone else wears a mask and washes their hands. We know who dies and we know who doesn't, so why put sick people at risk at all? This is all I'm saying, it's not political, it's not some wild conspiracy theory, it's a simple short term solution to a problem we have right now.
I understand that you want to be angry at Trump, you want to blame him for the pandemic, but we don't have to create critical situations to do that, there are plenty of those available all across the country. Lets leave food production out of.
I am sure these places are trying to hire get your ass over there if it’s so great.
 

trenchfoot

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Trump has no problem opening those plants as Covid-19 petri dishes because he won't take any responsibility if the rate of infections explodes in that area. He'll simply blame the Democrats for one reason or another and his supporters will buy into it without blinking.

Easy peasy, quick and sleazy, nevah know what hit'um.
 

Lanyap

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LoL yall are fkn funny guys. It comes down to risk / reward and going into a infectious meat plant doesnt sound like it comes with many (any) rewards. One person in the thread said it and it's pretty damn simple.

Reward the workers! What does the average dr make in iowa? Double it and give it to the workers until this shit is over. $150/hr sounds nice.

Food supply is important.

Otherwise round up all these trump nutting 'patriots' and get them to these plants ASAP. They are ready to work and think the virus is a hoax. lol



The trump nutting 'patriots' don't look too healthy, so, yeah that's a good idea. Two birds, one stone.
 

HomerJS

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No issue with testing, but if you have a healthy work force at those facility's it isn't critical. That leaves those resources available to others. Healthy people rarely die from covid19. Why is that so hard to understand? If your sick or old, stay home. Everyone else wears a mask and washes their hands. We know who dies and we know who doesn't, so why put sick people at risk at all? This is all I'm saying, it's not political, it's not some wild conspiracy theory, it's a simple short term solution to a problem we have right now.
I understand that you want to be angry at Trump, you want to blame him for the pandemic, but we don't have to create critical situations to do that, there are plenty of those available all across the country. Lets leave food production out of.
Testing is the issue. Healthy people are asymptomatic carriers. They are healthy until they are not. How do you know the makeup of their family they go home to?

Meanwhile you either want or are willing to tolerate these people going to work not knowing who else has it. If they don't feel safe either for themselves or who they may bring the virus home to, they get denied unemployment.

Yeah why give a shit about these people.
 

brycejones

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Testing is the issue. Healthy people are asymptomatic carriers. They are healthy until they are not. How do you know the makeup of their family they go home to?

Meanwhile you either want or are willing to tolerate these people going to work not knowing who else has it. If they don't feel safe either for themselves or who they may bring the virus home to, they get denied unemployment.

Yeah why give a shit about these people.
If some of them happen to die for his cheeseburger @Greenman is cool with it.
 
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No issue with testing, but if you have a healthy work force at those facility's it isn't critical. That leaves those resources available to others. Healthy people rarely die from covid19. Why is that so hard to understand? If your sick or old, stay home. Everyone else wears a mask and washes their hands. We know who dies and we know who doesn't, so why put sick people at risk at all? This is all I'm saying, it's not political, it's not some wild conspiracy theory, it's a simple short term solution to a problem we have right now.
I understand that you want to be angry at Trump, you want to blame him for the pandemic, but we don't have to create critical situations to do that, there are plenty of those available all across the country. Lets leave food production out of.
These people don't live at the plant. You figure it out.
 

zzyzxroad

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No issue with testing, but if you have a healthy work force at those facility's it isn't critical. That leaves those resources available to others. Healthy people rarely die from covid19. Why is that so hard to understand? If your sick or old, stay home. Everyone else wears a mask and washes their hands. We know who dies and we know who doesn't, so why put sick people at risk at all? This is all I'm saying, it's not political, it's not some wild conspiracy theory, it's a simple short term solution to a problem we have right now.
I understand that you want to be angry at Trump, you want to blame him for the pandemic, but we don't have to create critical situations to do that, there are plenty of those available all across the country. Lets leave food production out of.

Are people lining up to work at meat processing plants?
 

Homerboy

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Solution is if you are going to require the plant stay open know what else should be required?

Proper PPE
regular testing of every employee Minimum daily.
Proper distancing based on CDC guidelines.
Staff rotated more often

None of that was mandated. Basically Trump is sacrificing the workers to keep his burgers.

*hamberders