Trump sounds just like Bill Clinton did in 1996

[MtnMan]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...-immigration-we-are-a-nation-of-laws-n2164898

Clinton: One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration.

Trump: We have to stop the in-flow of illegals coming into our country.

Clinton: This administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders.

Trump: We will build a wall, it will do what it’s supposed to do, keep illegal immigrants out.

Clinton: We are increasing border controls by 50 percent.

Trump: We’re going to have a border, it’s going to be a real border… We have a country, we have to have borders

Clinton: We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants and tonight I announce I will sign an Executive Order to deny Federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

Trump: You can be very, very strong. It can be a huge financial penalty, it can be beyond a financial penalty. You can do that with E-Verify. I’m for it.

Clinton: We should honor every legal immigrant here working hard to be a good citizen but we are also a nation of laws.

Trump: We have a country. We have to have laws. We either have a country or we don’t.

 

[feralkid]

I think you need to read a bit more carefully.

 

[Vic]

This analogy only makes sense from the RWNJ wacko perspective, where Democrats want wide open borders and ICE is under a "stand down" order.

 

[sandorski]

I don't remember Clinton sounding like a buffoon. With the exception of his interrogation over the Lewinsky Affair.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Did Clinton actually accomplish (or attempt) any of that though?

 

[WelshBloke]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...-immigration-we-are-a-nation-of-laws-n2164898

Clinton: One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration.

Trump: We have to stop the in-flow of illegals coming into our country.

Clinton: This administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders.

Trump: We will build a wall, it will do what it’s supposed to do, keep illegal immigrants out.

Clinton: We are increasing border controls by 50 percent.

Trump: We’re going to have a border, it’s going to be a real border… We have a country, we have to have borders

Clinton: We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants and tonight I announce I will sign an Executive Order to deny Federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

Trump: You can be very, very strong. It can be a huge financial penalty, it can be beyond a financial penalty. You can do that with E-Verify. I’m for it.

Clinton: We should honor every legal immigrant here working hard to be a good citizen but we are also a nation of laws.

Trump: We have a country. We have to have laws. We either have a country or we don’t.

That actually makes Trump sound even more like a vacuous blowhard.

 

[dank69]

Right off the bat Clinton frames it as a problem with a policy and Trump frames it as a problem with people. Trump starts right off calling them illegals which dehumanizes them so we can hate them more while not feeling bad about being hateful assholes.

 

[nakedfrog]

"Just like"?
No.

 

[Indus]

I voted for Bob Dole for a reason.. but that party he represented is long gone.

 

[zinfamous]

Trump also sounds just like Mussolini, if you look at a choice sampling of actual Mussolini quotes.

https://twitter.com/ilduce2016

 

[zinfamous]

I voted for Bob Dole for a reason.. but that party he represented is long gone.

...you really like ballpoint pens?

 

[brycejones]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...-immigration-we-are-a-nation-of-laws-n2164898

Clinton: One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration.

Trump: We have to stop the in-flow of illegals coming into our country.

Clinton: This administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders.

Trump: We will build a wall, it will do what it’s supposed to do, keep illegal immigrants out.

Clinton: We are increasing border controls by 50 percent.

Trump: We’re going to have a border, it’s going to be a real border… We have a country, we have to have borders

Clinton: We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants and tonight I announce I will sign an Executive Order to deny Federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

Trump: You can be very, very strong. It can be a huge financial penalty, it can be beyond a financial penalty. You can do that with E-Verify. I’m for it.

Clinton: We should honor every legal immigrant here working hard to be a good citizen but we are also a nation of laws.

Trump: We have a country. We have to have laws. We either have a country or we don’t.

Trump only uses the best words.

 

[MtnMan]

Right off the bat Clinton frames it as a problem with a policy and Trump frames it as a problem with people. Trump starts right off calling them illegals which dehumanizes them so we can hate them more while not feeling bad about being hateful assholes.

Policy or people, illegals are a problems for actual citizens of this country.

 

[zinfamous]

Policy or people, illegals are a problems for actual citizens of this country.

How so?

 

[thraashman]

Trump also sounds just like Mussolini, if you look at a choice sampling of actual Mussolini quotes.

https://twitter.com/ilduce2016

It probably doesn't help that Trump has actually retweeted Mussolini quotes.

 

[zinfamous]

It probably doesn't help that Trump has actually retweeted Mussolini quotes.

yeah, that one is in there, too.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Right off the bat Clinton frames it as a problem with a policy and Trump frames it as a problem with people. Trump starts right off calling them illegals which dehumanizes them so we can hate them more while not feeling bad about being hateful assholes.

You're making a big deal over the use of "illegal" vs "illegal immigrant"?

 

[JEDIYoda]

If you can`t attack Hillary...attack her husband..lololol

 

[ivwshane]

If you can`t attack Hillary...attack her husband..lololol

And if you can't do that then attack her aid's husband.

 

[MtnMan]

How so?

Criminals taking jobs, not paying taxes, and consuming vast amount of taxpayer resources from education to health care.

 

[feralkid]

Criminals taking jobs, not paying taxes, and consuming vast amount of taxpayer resources from education to health care.

Golly, then I guess it's about time Mr. Trump stops hiring them.

 

[MongGrel]

Correlation not found.

 

[dank69]

You're making a big deal over the use of "illegal" vs "illegal immigrant"?

illegals vs. illegal immigraTION...

 

[dank69]

Policy or people, illegals are a problems for actual citizens of this country.

Are we discussing what should be done or are we discussing the differences between the two speeches that you don't understand?

 

[zinfamous]

Criminals taking jobs, not paying taxes, and consuming vast amount of taxpayer resources from education to health care.

illegal immigrants account for less crimes per capital than legal "real americans"

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
(conservative rag there that you are most likely to accept)

illegal immigrants do not lower job wages or take those actual jobs
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom....google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/
(look, another conservative rag that is probably right up your alley)

Legal immigrant households on welfare claim ~40% more compared to native born American households; Illegal immigrant households claim roughly 18% more than natives...this is generally attributed to the overall lack of education per capital in comparative immigrant households.
http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households

--Cost to educate children of illegal immigrants ~ $761mill across all states:
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/8/cost-educate-young-illegal-immigrants-over-761-mil/
--Cost of public education in the US: $620 billion
* https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66
So, cost of educating illegals is roughly 15%-17% of total education expenses. That isn't insignificant, but it isn't alarming and it certainly isn't crippling. When you consider that general welfare expenses on this demographic are tied to lack of education in that demographic, a simple consideration of these realities would lead you to think that these problems are related and, that, actually improving the quality of this education, perhaps even the cost (that isn't really necessary, to be honest), you end up reducing the welfare burden and, eventually, the public cost to that education. Basically, it's a small-minded, reptilian brain sort of argument to point at these assumptions without looking at the real numbers.

Healthcare costs of Illegal immigrants is barely even calculable: (1.5% of total expenses)
Look, a real legendary conservative think tank has some numbers for you:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9230/index1.html

Some policymakers argue that providing health care for nonelderly undocumented immigrants creates a public burden, but is this really so? Working within Los Angeles County, which has the largest concentration of immigrants in the nation, RAND Corporation researchers analyzed information from the Los Angeles Family Neighborhood Survey, which interviewed families in 65 county neighborhoods during 2000 and 2001. Nonelderly participants — those between 18 and 64 — were asked about their health status, whether they had health insurance, the type and amount of care used, and the type of immigrant they were. After deriving estimates for the county, researchers extrapolated the estimates to the national level.

• Of the $430 billion in national medical spending in 2000, native-born residents accounted for 87 percent of the population but for 91.5 percent of the spending. Foreign-born residents, who include undocumented immigrants, accounted for 13 percent of the population but for only 8.5 percent of the spending. Undocumented immigrants — 3.2 percent of the population — accounted for only about 1.5 percent of medical costs.
• Foreign-born residents use less funding from public insurers (such as Medicare and Medicaid) and pay more out-of-pocket costs for health care than do native-born residents — a pattern that is even more pronounced for undocumented immigrants.

As for the ACA, (coming into existence well after the above-linked report), Illegal immigrants are not allowed health coverage through this policy. In fact, this demographic has the least access to health coverage, but actually is a greater burden to the public in health costs because of that--why? It's actually more simple than you think. ER care is far, far more expensive than primary care and the burden of unpaid ER costs will fall on taxpayers with public or private health insurance. Actually increasing the access to affordable healthcare costs for illegals immigrants will reduce those cost burdens for you--and actually create more economic opportunity for you and me because, with 95% of their male population in teh work force (the largest of all demographics), it is better for all of us if they are able to work regularly.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...cumented_uninsured_barriers_immigrants_v2.pdf


Basically--you guys need some new talking points, because the same, tired, lying bullshit is just getting old and pathetic.