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HomerJS

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B-b-b-but what about
Just pointing out your dishonesty, again. Your post suggest only Democrats are adding unrelated stuff to COVID relief. At least eliminating SALT will give states needed revenue. Their budgets have been decimated because lack of federal action.

Either that or you are fine with Republicans spending money on a buildings while people are dying.

My opinion pass clean bills, only COVID related items.
 
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fskimospy

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I think this short changes the many people in the Trump admin who have genuine malign intents who want to see terrible things happen to people.
I’m torn on this issue. On issues like the racism I completely agree that their conduct represents genuine malevolence and desire to harm black and brown people. When it comes to this though I’m not sure. I get the sense that Trump feels paralyzed and is having trouble figuring out what he wants to do so it’s leaving Republicans rudderless.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Tell that to 40+ million homeless when they are evicted, and someone stopped the President from assisting. You do not want to be that person. Or live in a country where that happened. Our people need help, now.

They've needed help this entire time. If they're dumb enough to believe trump gives a shit, then our country deserves the ass reaming that the wealthy continue to hand out. oh wells, burn it down, right?

Trying to pretend like trump is playing some role at an arbitrator is ridiculous.

He said it himself, XO's are for a president who can't compromise, except it was just his plan. Trump's a straight up liar thru and thru, it's why he hasn't fullfilled most of his campaign promises.
 
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We need a new bullshit avatar. People like @s0me0nesmind1 spouting obvious lies and fails to acknowledge. In fact that should be infraction worthy. Spreading known falsehoods. That he gets accused of having a full time job of being a Trump fluffer. He is so Trump-like to the level of sickening
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Just pointing out your dishonesty, again. Your post suggest only Democrats are adding unrelated stuff to COVID relief. At least eliminating SALT will give states needed revenue. Their budgets have been decimated because lack of federal action.

Either that or you are fine with Republicans spending money on a buildings while people are dying.

My opinion pass clean bills, only COVID related items.

Are you too dumb to even know what you're saying?

Please explain to me how a FEDERAL TAX DEDUCTION means additional revenue for the state? Hint: It doesn't, but that would require 3rd grade-level thinking on your part.

The only slight argument you would have is through the federal tax deduction they might indirectly spend it and pay some crumbs in sales tax? But even that is laughable knowing that the large majority of people who this applies to are rich anyhow. Anyhow, thanks for the laugh of not understanding taxation.
 

1prophet

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The Constitution gave us a divided government. You can see how well that works in a time of crisis. It doesn't. Congress cannot act.

Should nothing be done for the American people? The President is acting as a tie breaker, beyond the scope of the Constitution. Founders had no concept of the federal budget being the linchpin for family budgets. The world today did not exist back then, how we live and finance things today was entirely beyond their imagining. Our form of division lacks the ability to solve real issues. America is a nation divided and paralyzed. Changes will be necessary for the United States to survive.

In this moment we should open a dialog on how to address crises in the future. And the Courts are free to try and block the President - but god help us all if they do.


Yep siree, and we can call the changes normalization that will save us from the crisis we are in.



 

SteveGrabowski

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Good.

Fuck Democrats that want to hold Americans hostage in an attempt to dangle American lives and evictions in an attempt to pass bullshit that is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT to the pandemic.

This is legitimately frightening that the 30%, eg the too far gone, will cheerlead the death of the republic and birth of a monarchy because it triggers the libs.
 

hal2kilo

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Please, the president is certainly not acting like a tie breaker here. He's doing his usual schtick
I think things were really starting to gel until he realized throwing a monkey wrench into this would make him look like a deal maker, and make the Dems look bad. Pubs don't believe in helping people. It's not in their genes.
 
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K1052

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I’m torn on this issue. On issues like the racism I completely agree that their conduct represents genuine malevolence and desire to harm black and brown people. When it comes to this though I’m not sure. I get the sense that Trump feels paralyzed and is having trouble figuring out what he wants to do so it’s leaving Republicans rudderless.

Trump is a pretty well documented sadist.
 

fskimospy

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Trump is a pretty well documented sadist.
I agree he enjoys inflicting pain on people but not to his own detriment. (or what he perceives to be his own detriment - he’s not exactly all there)

He desperately, desperately wants to win re-election. Probably as badly as he’s ever wanted anything in life. He might be delusional as to what helps him, but I don’t think he would put inflicting pain on others above that.
 
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There is a national housing shortage, even in low tax states.

For reference - here is what Rogan was saying in regards to moving lately:


He was quoting that supposedly in the last year it has actually fully turned where more people left the state than joined. Usually it roughly balances out.
 

hal2kilo

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For reference - here is what Rogan was saying in regards to moving lately:


He was quoting that supposedly in the last year it has actually fully turned where more people left the state than joined. Usually it roughly balances out.
Well, I hope in the process, Texas becomes bluer, as well as some of the other cheaper housing flyover areas of the country.
 

HomerJS

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Are you too dumb to even know what you're saying?

Please explain to me how a FEDERAL TAX DEDUCTION means additional revenue for the state? Hint: It doesn't, but that would require 3rd grade-level thinking on your part.

The only slight argument you would have is through the federal tax deduction they might indirectly spend it and pay some crumbs in sales tax? But even that is laughable knowing that the large majority of people who this applies to are rich anyhow. Anyhow, thanks for the laugh of not understanding taxation.
I'll admit you are right about SALT not providing more revenue to the state. That's something Dems would give up in a negotiation

However your lying and dishonesty still stands.

You lied about where the Republicans stand on amount they are offering for COVID

You are lying and dishonest implying only Dems trying to tack on unrelated items to COVID relief.

See it's not that hard. Make a mistake, admit it.
 

fskimospy

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For reference - here is what Rogan was saying in regards to moving lately:


He was quoting that supposedly in the last year it has actually fully turned where more people left the state than joined. Usually it roughly balances out.
Net migration from California has been negative for a very long time and is overwhelmingly concentrated in the lower and middle income brackets.

It’s not taxes that’s driving people out, it’s that they can’t afford housing. Joe Rohan’s reasoning and the average person’s have nothing in common.
 

fskimospy

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Are you too dumb to even know what you're saying?

Please explain to me how a FEDERAL TAX DEDUCTION means additional revenue for the state? Hint: It doesn't, but that would require 3rd grade-level thinking on your part.

The only slight argument you would have is through the federal tax deduction they might indirectly spend it and pay some crumbs in sales tax? But even that is laughable knowing that the large majority of people who this applies to are rich anyhow. Anyhow, thanks for the laugh of not understanding taxation.
SALT lowers the real cost of state and local taxes, meaning that for a given amount of out of pocket expenses for each citizen, state and local taxes can be higher. If you get a $500 federal deduction for those taxes the state could tax $500 more and you wouldn’t notice the difference.

It is frankly fucking embarrassing that you’re accusing someone else of having third grade thinking while making such an obvious mistake.
 
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SALT lowers the real cost of state and local taxes, meaning that for a given amount of out of pocket expenses for each citizen, state and local taxes can be higher. If you get a $500 federal deduction for those taxes the state could tax $500 more and you wouldn’t notice the difference.

It is frankly fucking embarrassing that you’re accusing someone else of having third grade thinking while making such an obvious mistake.

LOL. The post you quoted even admitted I was right. It's embarassing that you're embarassing yourself because you can't even read a post and accurately construe the difference between the statement of the OP "gives states needed revenue" and the strawman you self-constructed of "SALT lowers the real cost of state and local taxes".

Revenue for the state != "lowering the cost of state and local taxes"

I'll admit you are right about SALT not providing more revenue to the state. That's something Dems would give up in a negotiation


You're seriously trying to suggest a narrative that SALT FEDERAL TAX deductions INDIRECTLY lowers your SALT taxes? By that amazing definition, it INDIRECTLY pays for my illegal drugs. YOU DONT WANT TO SUPPORT ILLEGAL DRUGS DO YOU? Also because SNAP allows people to pay for their groceries, that means they can use their cash to BUY DRUGS! OMG THAT MEANS SNAP INDIRECTLY SUPPORTS ILLEGAL DRUGS!

Christ kid, try to read how dumb your talking points are before posting.
 

fskimospy

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LOL. The post you quoted even admitted I was right. It's embarassing that you're embarassing yourself because you can't even read a post and accurately construe the difference between the statement of the OP "gives states needed revenue" and the strawman you self-constructed of "SALT lowers the real cost of state and local taxes".

Revenue for the state != "lowering the cost of state and local taxes"




You're seriously trying to suggest a narrative that SALT FEDERAL TAX deductions INDIRECTLY lowers your SALT taxes? By that amazing definition, it INDIRECTLY pays for my illegal drugs. YOU DONT WANT TO SUPPORT ILLEGAL DRUGS DO YOU? Also because SNAP allows people to pay for their groceries, that means they can use their cash to BUY DRUGS! OMG THAT MEANS SNAP INDIRECTLY SUPPORTS ILLEGAL DRUGS!

Christ kid, try to read how dumb your talking points are before posting.
Uhmmmm, yes it does. SALT not only decreases the real cost of taxes, providing direct fiscal stimulus and additional taxation ability it increases property values, which further increase revenues.

You’re embarrassing yourself. Don’t you work with taxes or something? How could you not understand something this basic?

Time to go back to third grade! Lol.
 

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Also, you want a king in office that can simply snatch powers from Congress at his leisure?
This is the most important point about all of this. Dumpy is trying to make himself an absolute ruler here, if he gets away with it he sets future precedent. He also gets to overrule the U.S. constitution incidentally, and if that one goes through who dares to guess whether he'll do it again - like say, whether there shall be a presiderpial election this coming fall?
 

Maxima1

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Uhmmmm, yes it does. SALT not only decreases the real cost of taxes, providing direct fiscal stimulus and additional taxation ability it increases property values, which further increase revenues.

lol

"It’s not taxes that’s driving people out, it’s that they can’t afford housing. "

Also, not sure how something like ~9% sales tax isn't a factor or how inflating public employee compensation hasn't made it more burdensome to own homes. And now we've got online sales tax as well with a great portion just going to the stupidly generous benefits of cops and the past, absurdly stupid pension calculations that they now can't back out of. If a state can't handle taxes without SALT deductions, it's just an indication that they're badly mismanaged.






 

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The main sticking point I think is aid to state and local governments and it’s mostly because conservatives are hoping this gets them a free policy win the voters would never support on their own. Their hope is if they give cities and states minimal or no aid they will be forced into huge layoffs and budget cuts, which of course Republicans like. They just can’t admit this because they would get buried in an electoral landslide.

The federal government exists in large part to protect individuals and states from one-off events like this - to basically act as a national insurance company. Unfortunately it’s failing at that job now because it’s being run by incompetents.
I don't think it is incompetence. I think it is religious belief. I think they believe that their station and money and power in life is a reward for their kind of competence, selfish indifference to the needs of others and the ability to take what they think they deserve. They aren't incompetent. They were raised in a way that turned them into human scum. Look at Mao and the Dali Lama.

You can't hate yourself and love others. If there is no love of the universe and all that is within it, there is only an empty pit that can never be filled even if you pour every innocent life you can find into it. Try to grasp the magnitude of how deeply sad those Republicans are as they try to fill their stomachs rather than their hearts with joy. The only joy they know is mockery, standing on the necks of people they unconsciously identify as themselves contemptuous of those who feel empathy.

Such people need to be stopped without mercy but also without contempt. They may not know what they do but when one acts out and actively harm others with malice, even unconsciously, it can't be excused or allowed to continue.

Democratic politicians don't understand this sufficiently, I believe, because they also are insulated from real pain, both within them and as suffered by others they are supposed to represent. Politics has become the art of insulating oneself from personal responsibility on the pretext that some voter might be offended.
 

himkhan

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Good.

Fuck Democrats that want to hold Americans hostage in an attempt to dangle American lives and evictions in an attempt to pass bullshit that is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT to the pandemic.

You seem to be getting very emotional again. You seem to get this way the most regarding America and their politics. This is very odd for someone who isn't American.