Just a word of caution for these stats, as the lack of early testing, especially in NY, likely under counted the number of cases in the first months of the pandemic. It would also reason that other States were impacted by this. Not that this mitigates what your posts says, just something to keep in mind when we use items like this. It is what it is.
Up to now they've denied having a herd immunity policy. Rachel has detailed how they are covertly executing this policy while continuing to lie to the public. Her story needs it's own thread
NY was really ground zero in the US. Two months ago, they probably would have probably been #1 on that list, but they got their act together, despite Trump, and will soon be out of the top 10.
Well you can second guess, throw shit like this out and see if it sticks, but you have to go with the numbers you have. You seem to be on the same page with Trump, testing is the problem. Don't test, the numbers will go down (never mind that people are still getting sick and dying).
Now it is clear that killing 6 million Americans is now his plan. Yea, different topic than just being incompetent or stupid.
I take issue with Maddow's numbers.
Saw that last night and I agree, the exasperation is tenable, we could/should be well on the way to squashing this
"Theories"?, it's his OWN WORDS calling for "herd meantality" (herd immunity), he's taking advise from complete morons
Did you not see the sign "Do Not Feed the Trolls" It's what they thrive on.
Not really. No one is second guessing anything. Its actually bringing in more facts of the debacle. Just because it does not meet your needs for it, does not make your perspective the only one. Testing was the problem in the beginning. You seem to forget that. That was the tRumpanzee’s fault too. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/07/21/antibody-tests-show-actual-coronavirus-cases-may-be-drastically-higher-than-previously-reported/ ). The article mentioned that the actual infection rate was higher, as there was substantially more community spread than anyone thought.
Your rates do not work that way. Since the number of infections is grossly under calculated, your numbers are even more inaccurate. You cannot look at just the resolved cases, as 80% or more are asymptomatic. If you then multiplied your 4.9% by 20% you would be much more accurate. This ties to what she did. Your number would then be (4.9% x 20%) .98%. That tracks with the rate most think this virus has. BTW, that is 100 times more deadly that the “most strenuous flu,” which is typically around .0001%.
It is easy, actually a cheap shot to criticize my figures without showing anything factual information to validate your position.
Here you go, please read this:
OK, I see your point... thus I will correct my post, with the acknowledgement that there are untested (diagnosed) asymptotic cases, and there are false positives and negatives that may skew the numbers to an unknown extend, combined with a cluster fuck testing system.Here you go, please read this:
case fatality rate | Definition, Example, Equation, & Facts
Case fatality rate, in epidemiology, the proportion of people who die from a specified disease among all individuals diagnosed with the disease over a certain period of time. Case fatality rate typically is used as a measure of disease severity and is often used for prognosis.www.britannica.com
Positive tests and the true number of cases are two different numbers. In order to get “true” number of the total of who is infected, the testing must be quick, then contact tracing then tests, etc. You have to reach a relevant percentage of the population in testing before you can rely on these figures. It basic statistical concepts. You could do a random sampling of people across the US, which you could then apply to the over population that can give you the statistical relevant data to calculate these rates. Testing matters. Until we know a better idea of the number of asymptomatic cases, it is all speculation. It’s the data we have, but it is not reliable. The testing debacle lead to this. Testing is the key to get over this. Additionally, we have not even discussed the number of tests in these figures from people who have been tested multiple times and have either multiple positives or multiple negatives. There is then the false positives and negatives. The testing is a mess; therefore, the data produced must be eyed with some skepticism. It holds some relevance, but it is not “true.”
There was no reason to correct. There are various opinions. I appreciate the willingness to listen. The biggest issue with a novel virus like this is the unknown. As information rolls in, it our nature to make decisions on the it, but it’s not complete. In this case, hindsight is not really 2020, it’s 2021 or 2022.
before the Woodward tapes, i might have agreed with that assessment. unfortunately, we now know Trump was well aware of the reality of Covid-19, both the danger and transmissibility, and that he intentionally played it down and continues to do so purely due to his re-election chances. he has the blood of well over 100,000 Americans on his hands.
Forgive me for my ignorance but why can't the states close their borders to each other?
It's perfectly obvious that Trump has no intention of doing things in a way that reduce the spread of the pandemic. If he did, he wouldn't be rallying like it's 2016. He wouldn't encourage the maskless morons to congregate in tight groups cheering at the top of their lungs at various locations all over the country. Like Trump said, he's not skeered because he keeps his distance from his blithering fans who accept his invitation to pack in tight to show their devotion. It's the only way he knows to win the election & that's all that matters.
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