Trump requests paperwork to pardon accused US war criminals

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fskimospy

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Like I said, if people like you are frothing at the mouth over this, it is probably a good move. You assumed way too much about what I said. Per the normal around here, your projection fills in any gaps as you see fit.

Slowspyder: you guys reason emotionally instead of logically.

Also Slowspyder: this is probably a good idea because it makes people I don’t like mad.
 
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jackstar7

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How does this further the goals of QAnon? Seamlessly, right? I bet the answer is seamlessly.
 

Jhhnn

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You could say I'm soft on crime, but I don't see that as completely unreasonable. He was, in fact, convicted & served time. We can disagree as to the amount of time served but justice was served. He answered for his crime. The pardon didn't obfuscate the truth.

Should Trump pardon Gallagher prior to court results it would do just that. It's just another way to obstruct justice.
 

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You may want to look at the facts a little more. Some of the people accusing Chief Gallagher had an axe to grind with him and one of the accusers even benefited from the claims.

What I found was fairly weak. Actually having a trial for these kinds of allegations is an exceptional event. It clearly indicates that something was seriously wrong, but I'm not sure it is exactly what has been alleged. Regardless, there is a process for hearing testimony and deciding on its credibility. It's called a trial. Given the allegations against him, can you state any reasoning that we should pardon him without even having a chance to hear the evidence?
 

woolfe9998

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This plays to Trump's base. Not just the military vote. All of them.

1. Nationalism? Check.
2. Militarism? Check.
3. White Christian lives matter more than the lives of brown people and/or non Christians? Check.

Trump's base is a primal movement based on primal impulses and Trump is tapping right into it. The problem for him politically is that he's stuck on this base approach but he already has these people locked up with essentially no chance of losing them so he risks losing the relatively small but still important segment of people who can vote either way.
 
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This plays to Trump's base. Not just the military vote. All of them.

1. Nationalism? Check.
2. Militarism? Check.
3. White Christian lives matter more than the lives of brown people and/or non Christians? Check.

Trump's base is a primal movement based on primal impulses and Trump is tapping right into it. The problem for him politically is that he's stuck on this base approach but he already has these people locked up with essentially no chance of losing them so he risks losing the relatively small but still important segment of people who can vote either way.

Sadly I don't think Trump is pandering to his base. He is pandering to himself which incidentally plays to his base. I think he thinks what he is doing is right because being cruel to your enemies is right no matter what in his book.
 

dank69

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This plays to Trump's base. Not just the military vote. All of them.

1. Nationalism? Check.
2. Militarism? Check.
3. White Christian lives matter more than the lives of brown people and/or non Christians? Check.

Trump's base is a primal movement based on primal impulses and Trump is tapping right into it. The problem for him politically is that he's stuck on this base approach but he already has these people locked up with essentially no chance of losing them so he risks losing the relatively small but still important segment of people who can vote either way.

Sadly I don't think Trump is pandering to his base. He is pandering to himself which incidentally plays to his base. I think he thinks what he is doing is right because being cruel to your enemies is right no matter what in his book.
I think you both are just slightly off. He plays to his base because he loves the adoration he receives in return. Nothing more. When's the next MAGA rally?
 

HomerJS

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This plays to Trump's base. Not just the military vote. All of them.

1. Nationalism? Check.
2. Militarism? Check.
3. White Christian lives matter more than the lives of brown people and/or non Christians? Check.

Trump's base is a primal movement based on primal impulses and Trump is tapping right into it. The problem for him politically is that he's stuck on this base approach but he already has these people locked up with essentially no chance of losing them so he risks losing the relatively small but still important segment of people who can vote either way.
That's why Trump wants his immigrants from Norway not Africa
 

hal2kilo

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It is within the power of the Office of the President to pardon who they wish. Just because you do not agree with it does not make it unlawful. Many Presidents over the past two centuries have pardoned men of the crimes they have committed or unjustly been accused of.
Nooo shit.
 

hal2kilo

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The choice to pursue criminal or military institutional charges against service members for war crimes is an exceptional one. Trump has repeatedly presented a shield for those seeking extrajudicial punishment of those he deems bad or voiced encouragement for it. There is a problem with Trump's stance. Do you see that?
He encourages violence whenever he can. He's seriously mentally ill. We know what he's already told police they should do with people that they have in their "paddy wagons".
 

Jhhnn

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What I found was fairly weak. Actually having a trial for these kinds of allegations is an exceptional event. It clearly indicates that something was seriously wrong, but I'm not sure it is exactly what has been alleged. Regardless, there is a process for hearing testimony and deciding on its credibility. It's called a trial. Given the allegations against him, can you state any reasoning that we should pardon him without even having a chance to hear the evidence?

Let's face it- the accusation of sniping civilians just because you can is something that def needs to be aired out. It's behavior way too reminiscent of the Goeth character in Schindler's List. As a society, it's something we must condemn.

So why doesn't Trump condemn it?
 
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You may want to look at the facts a little more. Some of the people accusing Chief Gallagher had an axe to grind with him and one of the accusers even benefited from the claims.

You've been well trained. The bell rings and you regurgitate the talking point(s).
 

jackstar7

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Let's face it- the accusation of sniping civilians just because you can is something that def needs to be aired out. It's behavior way too reminiscent of the Goeth character in Schindler's List. As a society, it's something we must condemn.

So why doesn't Trump condemn it?
It rhymes with birtherism. No wait, it doesn't rhyme with it.

Racism.
 

DrDoug

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Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R - Eye Patch, TX) is saying that he would oppose Pumpkin Pinochet pardoning a Navy SEAL before the man has been tried. He's supposed to wait until after the trial THEN he can pardon the guy.

Gotta do it by the book to make it look good. I do think it is interesting that the pieces of shit on Faux & Friends have called the accused SEAL a hero after blowing away an unarmed young girl on the street in Iraq. He also stabbed and killed a man who was suspected of working for Al Qaeda during interrogation.
 
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This plays to Trump's base. Not just the military vote. All of them.

1. Nationalism? Check.
2. Militarism? Check.
3. White Christian lives matter more than the lives of brown people and/or non Christians? Check.

Trump's base is a primal movement based on primal impulses and Trump is tapping right into it. The problem for him politically is that he's stuck on this base approach but he already has these people locked up with essentially no chance of losing them so he risks losing the relatively small but still important segment of people who can vote either way.

Pretty much precisely what I was saying.

Except some people got butt-hurt about the way I wrote it.

I also don't agree with it or identify with it.
 

Jhhnn

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It is within the power of the Office of the President to pardon who they wish. Just because you do not agree with it does not make it unlawful. Many Presidents over the past two centuries have pardoned men of the crimes they have committed or unjustly been accused of.

Quite true. OTOH, Y'all elected a narcissistic dotard to the Presidency so a rather large amount of utterly depraved & immoral actions spring from that. Bet you didn't see that coming or yourself trying to justify it, either.