Trump requests paperwork to pardon accused US war criminals

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VRAMdemon

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We imprison immigrant children and pardon war criminals. The new United States.

Trump is doing this to shore up his military vote. Mainly to emphasize how badly he supports our troops, and whatever they do in the service of their country isn't so bad as long as they just keep voting for him. As long as they just keep letting the whole cowardly bone spurs thing slide, we're not gonna ever mention that out loud.
 

SlowSpyder

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I'd need to know more details around what the serviceman is accused of. The link in the OP made it sound bad, but it is CNN, so surely there is more to the story than the likely slanted bit they mention. But based on the belly-aching of a few of the same partisan sheeple that are always wrong here, there is a good chance the right move is to pardon him.
 

Jhhnn

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I'd need to know more details around what the serviceman is accused of. The link in the OP made it sound bad, but it is CNN, so surely there is more to the story than the likely slanted bit they mention. But based on the belly-aching of a few of the same partisan sheeple that are always wrong here, there is a good chance the right move is to pardon him.

Educate yourself before toadying up to Trump, as is your usual. Follow the links for a better understanding-

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/us/trump-pardons-war-crimes.html
 

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Trump wants to split the world into two categories. To do this, the bad category must have no redeeming qualities, thus every sinister thing done to the bad ones is not merely justifiable, it is seen as virtue. And everything that diminishes the good is an act of evil regardless of what the good people have done or how it might be hypocritical to apply different rules to the good than the bad.

We as a society are too blinded by our own wish to be good and thus free from the punishment we all secretly feel we deserve but have managed to escape thus far. We are being destroyed by our own demons. And those that reach for a split with opposite polarity support Trump without knowing it.

There is a reason that vengeance never satisfies. Does anyone choose to mourn the wish for it with me?
 

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I'd need to know more details around what the serviceman is accused of. The link in the OP made it sound bad, but it is CNN, so surely there is more to the story than the likely slanted bit they mention. But based on the belly-aching of a few of the same partisan sheeple that are always wrong here, there is a good chance the right move is to pardon him.

The choice to pursue criminal or military institutional charges against service members for war crimes is an exceptional one. Trump has repeatedly presented a shield for those seeking extrajudicial punishment of those he deems bad or voiced encouragement for it. There is a problem with Trump's stance. Do you see that?
 

VRAMdemon

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This guy was repeatedly reported by his own unit. Read this thread and tell me this dude deserves a pardon and not a trial.

https://twitter.com/scotthech/status...382586368?s=21

I guess it's less futile to try to convince people we aren't seeing what we're seeing than it is to admit they support a lowlife. This commander-in-chief should get a dishonorable discharge. This should come as no surprise to people who took note of the Trump administration dismantling the FBI unit that investigates war crimes.

Trump's just building up some Presidential Pardon momentum. Hopefully he's going to be needing one himself.
 

jackstar7

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I'd say this is fucking disgusting, like that's something new in this admin, but it's not new at all.

So this is just more Trump.

Fuck this guy.
 

TheVrolok

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I'd say this is fucking disgusting, like that's something new in this admin, but it's not new at all.

So this is just more Trump.

Fuck this guy.
This takes things to a new level for me. Financial crimes, obstruction, emoluments, tearing down our institutions, racism... All horrible.. But pardoning a murderering war criminal? There's a place in Hell for that. What is the justification here?
 
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dawp

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Mark my words here are 2 others on Trump's short list for pardon. These would make his base happy...

Byron De La Beckwith
James Earl Ray

But hey, who am I to question Trump if he pardoned them. After all his selections are not to be questioned.
you forgot a pair, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, after all, they did give the russians the bomb.
 
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Just like any other presidential pardon - pandering to the base. Veterans are pretty solid Trump voters.... So, I'm not surprised really?

At the same time, war is complicated. Crimes in war are even more complicated.
 
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Just like any other presidential pardon - pandering to the base. Veterans are pretty solid Trump voters.... So, I'm not surprised really?

At the same time, war is complicated. Crimes in war are even more complicated.

Yeah, real complicated:

"Stabbing a defenseless teenage captive to death. Picking off a school-age girl and an old man from a sniper’s roost. Indiscriminately spraying neighborhoods with rockets and machine-gun fire.

Navy SEAL commandos from Team 7’s Alpha Platoon said they had seen their highly decorated platoon chief commit shocking acts in Iraq. And they had spoken up, repeatedly. But their frustration grew as months passed and they saw no sign of official action.

Tired of being brushed off, seven members of the platoon called a private meeting with their troop commander in March 2018 at Naval Base Coronado near San Diego. According to a confidential Navy criminal investigation report obtained by The New York Times, they gave him the bloody details and asked for a formal investigation.

But instead of launching an investigation that day, the troop commander and his senior enlisted aide — both longtime comrades of the accused platoon leader, Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher — warned the seven platoon members that speaking out could cost them and others their careers, according to the report.

The clear message, one of the seven told investigators, was “Stop talking about it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/navy-seals-crimes-of-war.html?module=inline
 
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Yeah, real complicated:

"Stabbing a defenseless teenage captive to death. Picking off a school-age girl and an old man from a sniper’s roost. Indiscriminately spraying neighborhoods with rockets and machine-gun fire.

Navy SEAL commandos from Team 7’s Alpha Platoon said they had seen their highly decorated platoon chief commit shocking acts in Iraq. And they had spoken up, repeatedly. But their frustration grew as months passed and they saw no sign of official action.

Tired of being brushed off, seven members of the platoon called a private meeting with their troop commander in March 2018 at Naval Base Coronado near San Diego. According to a confidential Navy criminal investigation report obtained by The New York Times, they gave him the bloody details and asked for a formal investigation.

But instead of launching an investigation that day, the troop commander and his senior enlisted aide — both longtime comrades of the accused platoon leader, Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher — warned the seven platoon members that speaking out could cost them and others their careers, according to the report.

The clear message, one of the seven told investigators, was “Stop talking about it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/navy-seals-crimes-of-war.html?module=inline
He is planning to pardon multiple from what I've heard. I wasn't commenting towards any one case.
 

zinfamous

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It is within the power of the Office of the President to pardon who they wish. Just because you do not agree with it does not make it unlawful. Many Presidents over the past two centuries have pardoned men of the crimes they have committed or unjustly been accused of.

Trump is basically asking permission to pardon Col Caley.

Are you fucking OK with that?
 

zinfamous

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Just like any other presidential pardon - pandering to the base. Veterans are pretty solid Trump voters.... So, I'm not surprised really?

At the same time, war is complicated. Crimes in war are even more complicated.

lol. If he's trying to pander to veterans, this isn't the way to do it. He's pandering to white supremacists, full stop. Not American soldiers. There may be racists "that have served" that love this kind of move, but they aren't soldiers. No fucking way. Fuck any piece of shit that supports this kind of war crime behavior from these white supremacists that only signed up to kill them a few mooselmen.

If you don't get that, then you are a fucking idiot.
 
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jackstar7

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This takes things to a new level for me. Financial crimes, obstruction, emoluments, tearing down our institutions, racism... All horrible.. But pardoning a murderering war criminal? There's a place in Hell for that. What is the justification here?
I'm old enough to remember Joe Arpaio.
 

TheVrolok

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I'm old enough to remember Joe Arpaio.
Sheriff Joe is a horrible piece of shit, no doubt, but it still isn't as glaringly clear as a guy who is a war criminal who killed (allegedly I suppose) innocent people. This is something so direct and unambiguous that even Trump loyalists should "get it." (though they won't, of course)
 

zinfamous

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lol, even SlowSpyder is desperately trying to fight away is abject disgust over this move.

Look at them crumble.
 

brandonbull

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lol, even SlowSpyder is desperately trying to fight away is abject disgust over this move.

Look at them crumble.

You may want to look at the facts a little more. Some of the people accusing Chief Gallagher had an axe to grind with him and one of the accusers even benefited from the claims.
 

SlowSpyder

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lol, even SlowSpyder is desperately trying to fight away is abject disgust over this move.

Look at them crumble.


Like I said, if people like you are frothing at the mouth over this, it is probably a good move. You assumed way too much about what I said. Per the normal around here, your projection fills in any gaps as you see fit.
 

zinfamous

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Like I said, if people like you are frothing at the mouth over this, it is probably a good move. You assumed way too much about what I said. Per the normal around here, your projection fills in any gaps as you see fit.

lol, look at the little tapeworm.
 

trenchfoot

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Knowing now what Trump is capable of along with those dysfunctional habits of his being spiteful, mocking and frighteningly vengeful in a very childish way, I can see where he's doing these things just to make a statement that he is THE Boss of bosses and he WILL retaliate in ways that are sure to aggravate, frustrate and force a surrender just as any spoiled brat will in order to get their way.

And lest we forget, this crippling personality trait of Trump's is a desirable one for his supporters, something to really like about him because he "hits back like no other against the enemies of the people".

You want to hold him accountable for his many crimes and for his being so miserably incompetent at his job? Well now you're going to pay for that, you'll see!

This is what we're facing when pursuing Trump and his many character flaws that endanger the nation's unity and viability as a model society for other nations to emulate.

How do you successfully discipline and correct a belligerent incorrigible spoiled brat and their parents who approve of the delinquent's behavior simply because it's a very convenient way for their "parents" to ignore the problem "that's not a problem" whilst they satisfyingly strike back at their criticizers?
 

Jhhnn

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You may want to look at the facts a little more. Some of the people accusing Chief Gallagher had an axe to grind with him and one of the accusers even benefited from the claims.

Yeh, must be a conspiracy, huh?