Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

[Jaskalas]

It's likely the local police that did attempt to get on the roof likely saved Trumps life.

That is certainly my take as well.
The crowd told the police, whose approach to the roof spooked the shooter and forced him to rush his shot.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's sad and highly inaccurate how many people bandy about the phrase, Biden is the "lesser of two evils." I don't agree 100% with Biden administration policies and results; but even beside their fundamental differences, there's not much comparison between DJT and Biden from a performance standpoint. One guy goes down as one of the 5 worst American presidents ever; the other is somewhere above average unless you truly hate Democratic policies.

Even if a conservative's brain rot convinced them to ignore the flagrant law-breaking and ultimate attempt to subvert democracy, the ledger doesn't seem favorable to DJT at all. Unless you're a billionaire or large corporation, I guess.

Personally I would vote a literal 💩 over DJT; but even if I was a 50/50 swing voter, this really isn't a close decision whatsoever.

Yeah, IDK, not perfect but he's done a great job over the last four years, he's not perfect but a perfect candidate will never exist, because perfect for me isn't perfect for you. Maybe people are just so ingrained to say "welp turd sandwich versus giant douche again" when the difference is quite a bit more stark this time around. Fascism aside (which, uh, excuse me but fuck off if you can just look past that), Agenda 47 is... batshit? "Pants on head crazy" is not nearly adequate to describe it. "Freedom cities"? What the fuck is this shit?

 

[pmv]

Everything will always and forever be about him. Look at the video when the SS are trying to get him offstage. He’s waving and pumping his fist, oblivious to the hard work of everyone around him to get his ass to safety. It’s his life in a nutshell. He’s been carried his whole life by people around him while he just basks in the adulation and praise for shit he HASN'T done.

I have (very slightly) ambivalent feelings about that. I think he showed a kind of courage, if possibly in a perverse sort-of-way. If only because his sheer narcissism and difficulty in understanding the seriousness of the situation meant his instinctive showmanship over-rode the shock and fear that a normal person might have felt.
Reminds me of the famous verse about "if you can keep your head while all around are losing theirs...perhaps you haven't fully understood the situation".

Obama would probably have followed correct procedure and the instructions of the SS, and missed that dramatic photo-op (also Obama's taller and hence an easier target...perhaps it's fortunate for Trump he's not as tall as he has claimed to be). I have to say I fear Biden might have just looked befuddled and confused.

Not saying he wasn't also kind of stupid in doing that, just that it wasn't the worst example of his peculiar psychological makeup.

 

[Zorba]

It is right in this video. They didn't want to be on the roof because it was to hot.

White roofs feel insanely hot in the sun because it reflects so much solar radiation (heat radiation) onto you. A long time ago, I used to do work on roofs and would much rather be on a black roof than a white one. At least until you had to touch it with a bare hand.

 

[manly]

I have (very slightly) ambivalent feelings about that. I think he showed a kind of courage, if possibly in a perverse sort-of-way. If only because his sheer narcissism and difficulty in understanding the seriousness of the situation meant his instinctive showmanship over-rode the shock and fear that a normal person might have felt.
Reminds me of the famous verse about "if you can keep your head while all around are losing theirs...perhaps you haven't fully understood the situation".

Obama would probably have followed correct procedure and the instructions of the SS, and missed that dramatic photo-op (also Obama's taller and hence an easier target...perhaps it's fortunate for Trump he's not as tall as he has claimed to be). I have to say I fear Biden might have just looked befuddled and confused.

Not saying he wasn't also kind of stupid in doing that, just that it wasn't the worst example of his peculiar psychological makeup.

LOL narcissism combined with adrenaline is not my definition of courage.

As has been documented many times, humans react in myriad ways to a shock event. Besides the canonical "fight or flight" response, some people freeze into a fetal position.

I wouldn't draw any broad conclusions of his intestinal fortitude from a once in a lifetime event. As you said, one person's bravery is stupidity to another. Considering that he insisted on retrieving his shoes to his body detail, I doubt there was a lot of rational thinking going on.

 

[eelw]

Lol squishy calling all of us that believe you don’t primary the incumbent a cult. Apparently the crowd at the RNC convention are wearing patches on their ear

 

[fskimospy]

Lol squishy calling all of us that believe you don’t primary the incumbent a cult. Apparently the crowd at the RNC convention are wearing patches on their ear

Every time you disagree with him he just doubles down and gets angrier. He has problems.

I ignore him because he doesn’t add anything but to each their own.

 

[Brainonska511]

For a guy that allegedly got shot (really, we only have proof he was shot at, and some articles have suggested he just got hit by some glass), the press is awfully quiet on what kind of testing and follow-up this potential future president received.

 

[MrSquished]

Lol squishy calling all of us that believe you don’t primary the incumbent a cult. Apparently the crowd at the RNC convention are wearing patches on their ear

actually I agreed that Biden shouldn't have been primaried after he declared he was running again. Good luck trying to quote me on your made up nonsense here - feel free to try though. I never supported that or agreed with it. I said Biden should never have run. I said it before he ran too. and I said good chance it will be a bad choice, it wasn't worth the risk since he wasn't even a great candidate to begin with. And the moment the debate happened, I said he had to go. That's it.

why do you insist on just making up bullshit? feel free to tell us.

Every time you disagree with him he just doubles down and gets angrier. He has problems.

I ignore him because he doesn’t add anything but to each their own.

you have had some of the absolute worst political instincts and calls of anyone here. I may be more emotional, but I'm correct more than incorrect. Your predictions are mostly somewhere in a galaxy far far away from left field. And you never admit you are wrong. Maybe Ron DeSantis, who would totally respect the constitution and democracy, can talk some sense into Trump, who thank god won't be running against your disaster of a best and greatest choice of the Dems that has been obvious since before he decided to run again.

what a shit show.

 

[FireSnake]

That is certainly my take as well.
The crowd told the police, whose approach to the roof spooked the shooter and forced him to rush his shot.

So the police actually made some action on people's reaction/observation?

 

[ondma]

That is certainly my take as well.
The crowd told the police, whose approach to the roof spooked the shooter and forced him to rush his shot.

Unfortunately, it didnt save the life of the victim in the crowd or prevent the serious injury of two other bystanders. No way local law enforcement OR the USSS was a hero, or actually anywhere near competent, in this whole incident. The fact that the roof was supposedly "too hot" or "too sloped" (obviously not true by simply looking at it) didnt prevent the shooter from getting on it and setting up his position. And even without putting someone on the roof, why were there not drones, or even better a helicopter with snipers in it, in the area? And if the local law enforcement agent did see the shooter, why didnt he stop him? I read that he took a photo and forwarded it to the command post. If true, this is absurd. I also understand the USSS is not allowed to fire on a suspect until they fire first. Again, if true, a terrible protocol. Of course, the entire situation was complicated by the fact that it was an open carry state. However, there must, or should be, some protocol to declare a public event like this a gun free zone.

 

[ondma]

Yeah, IDK, not perfect but he's done a great job over the last four years, he's not perfect but a perfect candidate will never exist, because perfect for me isn't perfect for you. Maybe people are just so ingrained to say "welp turd sandwich versus giant douche again" when the difference is quite a bit more stark this time around. Fascism aside (which, uh, excuse me but fuck off if you can just look past that), Agenda 47 is... batshit? "Pants on head crazy" is not nearly adequate to describe it. "Freedom cities"? What the fuck is this shit?

Calling Biden's tenure a "great job" is extremely generous. High inflation, a mess at the border, a disastrous Afgan withdrawal, and major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise. I would describe it as "barely adequate, but certainly better than Trump".

 

[Moonbeam]

actually I agreed that Biden shouldn't have been primaried after he declared he was running again. Good luck trying to quote me on your made up nonsense here - feel free to try though. I never supported that or agreed with it. I said Biden should never have run. I said it before he ran too. and I said good chance it will be a bad choice, it wasn't worth the risk since he wasn't even a great candidate to begin with. And the moment the debate happened, I said he had to go. That's it.

why do you insist on just making up bullshit? feel free to tell us.


you have had some of the absolute worst political instincts and calls of anyone here. I may be more emotional, but I'm correct more than incorrect. Your predictions are mostly somewhere in a galaxy far far away from left field. And you never admit you are wrong. Maybe Ron DeSantis, who would totally respect the constitution and democracy, can talk some sense into Trump, who thank god won't be running against your disaster of a best and greatest choice of the Dems that has been obvious since before he decided to run again.

what a shit show.

It seems, based on your frantic reactions to imagining you're the only one who knows anything, that you must have only recently begun to suspect as much. Take it from a long term self acknowledged sage that calling the situation a shit show is amateurish. In truth the situation far worse, hopeless in fact, but not serious as you seem to believe. Stop acting like a noob and get a hold of yourself. Nobody is going to take you seriously. Get off your high horse. You're simply delusional if you think anybody will face reality, or that they will be moved by your throwing such self absorbed tantrums. Stop projecting that on others. Nobody wants to know the truth and nobody is to blame for that. Grow up. You checked into Hotel California and can never leave. Learn to appreciate the sent of coletus wafting in the air. The terrible disaster you fear has already happened.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We swear it’s not a cult

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/w6ZxxjgMaT

 

[dank69]

Calling Biden's tenure a "great job" is extremely generous. High inflation, a mess at the border, a disastrous Afgan withdrawal, and major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise. I would describe it as "barely adequate, but certainly better than Trump".

To paraphrase my cousin vinny: everything this guy said is bullshit. Thank you.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Calling Biden's tenure a "great job" is extremely generous. High inflation, a mess at the border, a disastrous Afgan withdrawal, and major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise. I would describe it as "barely adequate, but certainly better than Trump".

Lololol how much of that is within Biden's control? Inflation was largely due to the effects of covid and companies then being greedy as fuck. The border is 100% a congress problem (not to mention that our domestic and foreign policies cause it in the first place). Afghanistan withdrawal was Trump's plan and Biden simply executed it. And given how quickly the Taliban took back control, it would have been a mess no matter what.

On the other hand, here's what Biden has actually accomplished: Historic investments in the country's infrastructure. CHIPS. IRA. Unemployment is very low. Student debt forgiveness. Reclassifying marijuana so it's not in the same schedule as far more dangerous drugs. Administration is not a dumpster fire every day. Competent administrators that actually do their job (FCC, FTC, etc). Ending non-compete agreements. $35 insulin. Medicare negotiating drug prices.

And I'm pretty sure I'm missing a million other things.

Edit: moved the insulin and Medicare stuff from first paragraph to second. Oops 😅

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lololol how much of that is within Biden's control? Inflation was largely due to the effects of covid and companies then being greedy as fuck. The border is 100% a congress problem (not to mention that our domestic and foreign policies cause it in the first place). Afghanistan withdrawal was Trump's plan and Biden simply executed it. And given how quickly the Taliban took back control, it would have been a mess no matter what. $35 insulin. Medicare negotiating drug prices.

On the other hand, here's what Biden has actually accomplished: Historic investments in the country's infrastructure. CHIPS. IRA. Unemployment is very low. Student debt forgiveness. Reclassifying marijuana so it's not in the same schedule as far more dangerous drugs. Administration is not a dumpster fire every day. Competent administrators that actually do their job (FCC, FTC, etc). Ending non-compete agreements.

And I'm pretty sure I'm missing a million other things.

Yea, but you can't chant it, so half of america is none the wiser.

 

[fskimospy]

Lololol how much of that is within Biden's control? Inflation was largely due to the effects of covid and companies then being greedy as fuck. The border is 100% a congress problem (not to mention that our domestic and foreign policies cause it in the first place). Afghanistan withdrawal was Trump's plan and Biden simply executed it. And given how quickly the Taliban took back control, it would have been a mess no matter what. $35 insulin. Medicare negotiating drug prices.

On the other hand, here's what Biden has actually accomplished: Historic investments in the country's infrastructure. CHIPS. IRA. Unemployment is very low. Student debt forgiveness. Reclassifying marijuana so it's not in the same schedule as far more dangerous drugs. Administration is not a dumpster fire every day. Competent administrators that actually do their job (FCC, FTC, etc). Ending non-compete agreements.

And I'm pretty sure I'm missing a million other things.

Yeah I’m not sure what he’s talking about here. Biden did more with less than any president in my lifetime. Absolute top tier performance if you look at it objectively.

 

[cytg111]

Calling Biden's tenure a "great job" is extremely generous. High inflation, a mess at the border, a disastrous Afgan withdrawal, and major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise. I would describe it as "barely adequate, but certainly better than Trump".

To be FAIR

High inflation
- World wide problem post pandemic. You might be able to argue that if everyone had just kept on going and no lockdowns then maybe something a little different, global supply lines would still be on a back buffer though so noone goes clear. (you could compare Denmark and Sweden as a reference)

A mess at the border.
The border deal of the century was struck down by Trump and MAGA solely to have talking points. Doesnt seem like Republicans actually wants to solve illegal immigration, seems like they need it to generate votes. I mean that is what it looks like *shrugs*.

A disastrous Afgan withdrawal,
Trump announced in direct negotiations that the US would withdraw and at what date. Biden's "error" was to not cancel that order. Definition of "error" here is up for interpretation. In terms of political capital he should have cancelled it.

Major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise.
I dont see how you put that on the feet of Biden. Like at all.
He coulda smacked Israel into submission. True.
He coulda sent more deadly weapons to Ukraine sooner. True.
*shrugs*

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Donny's in the bottom 5.

Joe's in the top 15-20

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[purbeast0]

Calling Biden's tenure a "great job" is extremely generous. High inflation, a mess at the border, a disastrous Afgan withdrawal, and major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise. I would describe it as "barely adequate, but certainly better than Trump".

I blame Biden for the $7.50 gallon of gas and $10 pack of strawberries I purchased 3 weeks ago.

In Turks and Caicos.

 

[outriding]

Yea, but you can't chant it, so half of america is none the wiser.

Tru dat…


Build the chips doesn’t have the racists ignorant ring to it as

Build the wall

 

[dank69]

To be FAIR

High inflation
- World wide problem post pandemic. You might be able to argue that if everyone had just kept on going and no lockdowns then maybe something a little different, global supply lines would still be on a back buffer though so noone goes clear. (you could compare Denmark and Sweden as a reference)

A mess at the border.
The border deal of the century was struck down by Trump and MAGA solely to have talking points. Doesnt seem like Republicans actually wants to solve illegal immigration, seems like they need it to generate votes. I mean that is what it looks like *shrugs*.

A disastrous Afgan withdrawal,
Trump announced in direct negotiations that the US would withdraw and at what date. Biden's "error" was to not cancel that order. Definition of "error" here is up for interpretation. In terms of political capital he should have cancelled it.

Major unrest in 2 areas of the world say otherwise.
I dont see how you put that on the feet of Biden. Like at all.
He coulda smacked Israel into submission. True.
He coulda sent more deadly weapons to Ukraine sooner. True.
*shrugs*

Additionally, inflation was lower in the US than most (all?) other countries which means Biden (and the Fed) did a better job controlling it than any other world leaders.

The Taliban that immediately rose up during the withdrawal were mostly comprised of the 5000 Taliban Trump released in exchange for nothing.

 

[fskimospy]

Additionally, inflation was lower in the US than most (all?) other countries which means Biden (and the Fed) did a better job controlling it than any other world leaders.

The Taliban that immediately rose up during the withdrawal were mostly comprised of the 5000 Taliban Trump released in exchange for nothing.

It is sad and bad for future governance that Biden took the hit for the Afghanistan withdrawal. The lesson I would learn as a president is that I should keep doing what Obama and Trump did - pouring money and lives into a losing effort instead of acknowledging reality.

 

[dank69]

It is sad and bad for future governance that Biden took the hit for the Afghanistan withdrawal. The lesson I would learn as a president is that I should keep doing what Obama and Trump did - pouring money and lives into a losing effort instead of acknowledging reality.

I have to give credit to Trump here in that at least he started the process and fought pretty hard to get us out. He did it terribly because he is an idiot but avoided taking the hit Biden did by losing in 2020 before the inevitable results.