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Meghan54

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According to the article I linked, Trumps actions declassified the material. It's an interesting read and has a link to the last time the order was revised by Obama. The order is pretty dry reading, but the information is there.
There are things no President can declassify…our HUMINT sources, for example. The Pres. prob has no concrete idea where that info is located and I’m quite positive even showing up at Ft Belvoir or Langley or the A ring at the Pentagon unannounced and demanding access would get him/her very far, no matter who might be Pres. More so for a Trump.
There’s a host of intel essentially and effectively beyond the grasp of a President-for good reason.
 
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The FBI wanting to submit a 40 page response to Trump's court filing is...interesting...

Mostly I think they want to very thoroughly explain their process and the groundwork they went through to arrive at the search and the legal reasoning and precedent for their case, including debunking the notion that these materials are covered by executive privilege.

I think that they are also PO'd at Trump and I'm worried they will make the PR issues worse by trying to embarrass him in court. Of course, I don't expect Trump to have any legitimate legal challenges that actually threaten their investigation, although they might open the door for him to keep clogging things up in court by giving him material to construct irrational challenges with.

Ultimately, though, if there is no special master appointed, Trump wasn't seeking any injunctive relief, so I'm not aware of any reason the DOJ couldn't go full steam ahead with the investigation including taking things to a grand jury to pursue an indictment.
 

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Whether or not trump has the ability to declassify anything he wants is irrelevant to the fact that the documents do not belong to him and instead belong to the National archives, a fact some people seem to want to completely ignore while they find sources that support their feels.
 

hal2kilo

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Problem is there can only be one President at a time, the moment Biden was sworn in he lost the right/ability to do that.
Normally, that doesn't happen, but it was already well know that Trump handling classified information was a major national security threat, so it was removed shortly after Biden got into office.
 
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Whether or not trump has the ability to declassify anything he wants is irrelevant to the fact that the documents do not belong to him and instead belong to the National archives, a fact some people seem to want to completely ignore while they find sources that support their feels.
1000% this. The classification just makes matters more serious, but is otherwise a red herring.
 

ImpulsE69

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You know what I wish, that people would stop reposting everything that tard says, even if it is to call him out. IGNORE HIM, let him die in obscurity. That would be his biggest punishment.
 

Roger Wilco

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You know what I wish, that people would stop reposting everything that tard says, even if it is to call him out. IGNORE HIM, let him die in obscurity. That would be his biggest punishment.

I agree to an extent, but we are sharing a minuscule amount of his overall regurgitation.

He crazy-posted 60 times within one hour today. Unless you are a masochist, you probably won’t have to endure most of that via retweets or whatever.
 

trenchfoot

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The FBI wanting to submit a 40 page response to Trump's court filing is...interesting...

Mostly I think they want to very thoroughly explain their process and the groundwork they went through to arrive at the search and the legal reasoning and precedent for their case, including debunking the notion that these materials are covered by executive privilege.

I think that they are also PO'd at Trump and I'm worried they will make the PR issues worse by trying to embarrass him in court. Of course, I don't expect Trump to have any legitimate legal challenges that actually threaten their investigation, although they might open the door for him to keep clogging things up in court by giving him material to construct irrational challenges with.

Ultimately, though, if there is no special master appointed, Trump wasn't seeking any injunctive relief, so I'm not aware of any reason the DOJ couldn't go full steam ahead with the investigation including taking things to a grand jury to pursue an indictment.


Reminiscing on how Trump, without any justification whatsoever constantly criticized our intelligence and other security services while occupying the White House and how Garland was refused a chance to have a seat on the SCOTUS via McConnell's subterfuge, there is all the moral and ethical justification in the world piled on top of the abundance of factual evidence for righteous retribution to be levied on Trump and his lackeys.
 

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How the right wing thinks declassification works.

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Whether or not trump has the ability to declassify anything he wants is irrelevant to the fact that the documents do not belong to him and instead belong to the National archives, a fact some people seem to want to completely ignore while they find sources that support their feels.

This is true, and so long as you are merely talking about whether or not Trump supporters should be outraged by Trump's activities, then this is spot on. Even if they can imagine him finding a legal defense that criminally excuses his conduct, there is no question he has acted in a way that should convince all people to keep him as far away from government office as possible.

From a criminal prosecution standpoint, that these items were classified is still heavily relevant. Although the statutes referenced in the search do not state anything has to be classified, it would be breaking ground, and the classified nature of the documents was certainly highlighted in the affidavit for the search warrant.

All that said, the chance that Trump actually communicated an intent to declassify these documents to anyone is essentially null by his own admissions. A "standing order" to declassify documents removed from the oval office has dubious legality, not to mention no one has corroborated Trump's assertion that he ever made such an order. Regardless, none of the documents were actually marked as declassified, so Trump has a huge uphill climb to face in proving that they were. It is also likely to be made irrelevant by the existence of documents which he does not have at will power to declassify.
 

ImpulsE69

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I agree to an extent, but we are sharing a minuscule amount of his overall regurgitation.

He crazy-posted 60 times within one hour today. Unless you are a masochist, you probably won’t have to endure most of that via retweets or whatever.

I just meant in general, like people putting it on twitter, or the news casts etc. Wasn't calling anyone out here. Pretend the man doesn't exist. lol
 

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This is true, and so long as you are merely talking about whether or not Trump supporters should be outraged by Trump's activities, then this is spot on. Even if they can imagine him finding a legal defense that criminally excuses his conduct, there is no question he has acted in a way that should convince all people to keep him as far away from government office as possible.

From a criminal prosecution standpoint, that these items were classified is still heavily relevant. Although the statutes referenced in the search do not state anything has to be classified, it would be breaking ground, and the classified nature of the documents was certainly highlighted in the affidavit for the search warrant.

All that said, the chance that Trump actually communicated an intent to declassify these documents to anyone is essentially null by his own admissions. A "standing order" to declassify documents removed from the oval office has dubious legality, not to mention no one has corroborated Trump's assertion that he ever made such an order. Regardless, none of the documents were actually marked as declassified, so Trump has a huge uphill climb to face in proving that they were. It is also likely to be made irrelevant by the existence of documents which he does not have at will power to declassify.

I'm not sure what people expect..Trump has basically convinced his base that the Russians are the good guys. They would probably commend him sharing secrets over there, legal or not. Whistleblower against the deep state!
 
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Exactly what has Trump been CHARGED with that is so straightforward?

Trump faces probes. Not criminal charges.
But like any criminal, he knows they are coming. It's probably eating him alive waiting for charges to be dropped on him.
 
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