News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

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The available evidence is straight forward, but so far we've only seen what the FBI has chosen to release. We don't know anything beyond statements made by people with an agenda. There is also a vast difference between the speculation and opinion we see every day and the actual trial.

I have several questions I'd like to see addressed, but those won't be answered until the trial.

What agenda does the FBI have exactly?
 

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The available evidence is straight forward, but so far we've only seen what the FBI has chosen to release. We don't know anything beyond statements made by people with an agenda. There is also a vast difference between the speculation and opinion we see every day and the actual trial.

I have several questions I'd like to see addressed, but those won't be answered until the trial.

Hold it. Are you Saying the FBI released data?

Curious what data? This is the DOJ show they would be the ones to leasing the data.
 

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No, it doesn't.
The issue is you're conflating your belief and agenda with law. That's not a charge or a conviction, it's an opinion.
Personally, I hope he is charged, I want to see all of my questions answered and a trial will cover most of them.

Last time you rambled off a bunch of questions that were already answered if you had even read one article about the issue, what are your new questions that need to be answered?
 

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Last time you rambled off a bunch of questions that were already answered if you had even read one article about the issue, what are your new questions that need to be answered?
Careful, now. You can't just go bursting his feigned ignorance bubble and expect him to directly answer questions.
 

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No matter what the MAGA infection is spreading like wildfire across the country contaminating once reasonable people turning them into Trumpian conspiracy zombies. :eek: :oops:
I'm a little more optimistic.

The infection was always there. It just has a lid clamped over it. The 'infected' found out they had a voice again, and were extatic about it. Now that voice has been taken away by those once reasonable people realizing that MAGA isn't what they thought it was and no longer supporting it. These are probably a small percentage of the voting population. The permanently infected are pissed that they are loosing their voice again, and fighting to the bitter end to get it back again. The MAGA infection will ebb and flow over time, but progress will happen slowly over time; compare now to the 40's, 50's, etc, and I can see a trend (e.g. Trump's BS would have thrived back then). The more they show their true intents, the more society as a whole will reject it.
 

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Exactly what has Trump been CHARGED with that is so straightforward?

Let's get a list.

Because before the Mar-a-Largo raid, certain people on this forum wanted Trump executed for Jan. 6th. And others likened him to a traitor. And to support their view, they mentioned everybody in history who pulled a coup and failed, was executed.

I noted that Hitler was not executed after his unsuccessful Putsch. My boy did go to prison though. And this set off a round of disjointed rationales that was supposed to invalidate the fact that Hitler lived until 1945 when he took his own life.

The belief that if Hitler had died in 1933, World War Two might not have occurred is balderdash. We don't know that.

Imperial Japan was intent on controlling the Pacific and nothing was going to stop that. Japan didn't need Hitler. Imperial Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931 and long had its eye on Indochina. And Mussolini wanted revenge for Ethiopia rebuffing Italy's invasion of Ethiopia in 1936. Abyssinia also kicked Italy's butt at the Battle of Adwa in 1896.

Try making those facts disappear.

So, once more with feeling: What charges have been laid against Donald Trump? Because the way I see it, absolutely nothing - despite widespread condemnation and speculation.

And before anyone starts whining or throwing chipped bricks, I am not a Trump fan. I'm a Dem.

Trump faces probes. Not criminal charges.
 
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Actually, Trump could be in jail during all of his appeals as he is most definitely considered a flight risk. If he is charged with a felony or multiple counts, and possibly treason if the stories are true about him giving out info on agents that resulted in their deaths.. I see just that happening.

If the bolded is true, the DOJ can't not prosecute him.

Imagine the stink if the raw evidence of that ever emerged and they sat on it.
 
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Exactly what has Trump been CHARGED with that is so straightforward?

Let's get a list.

Because before the Mar-a-Largo raid, certain people on this forum wanted Trump executed for Jan. 6th. And others likened him to a traitor. And to support their view, they mentioned everybody in history who pulled a coup and failed, was executed.

I noted that Hitler was not executed after his unsuccessful Putsch. My boy did go to prison though. And this set off a round of disjointed rationales that was supposed to invalidate the fact that Hitler lived until 1945 when he took his own life.

The belief that if Hitler had died in 1933, World War Two might not have occurred is balderdash. We don't know that.

Imperial Japan was intent on controlling the Pacific and nothing was going to stop that. Japan didn't need Hitler. Imperial Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931 and long had its eye on Indochina. And Mussolini wanted revenge for Ethiopia rebuffing Italy's invasion of Ethiopia in 1936. Abyssinia also kicked Italy's butt at the Battle of Adwa in 1896.

Try making those facts disappear.

So, once more with feeling: What charges have been laid against Donald Trump? Because the way I see it, absolutely nothing - despite widespread condemnation and speculation.

And before anyone starts whining or throwing chipped bricks, I am not a Trump fan. I'm a Dem.

Trump faces probes. Not criminal charges.

Please specifically quote the people who you are talking to. What you say applies to maybe 1 or 2 people posting here (barely).

The vast majority of us understand the difference between a criminal investigation and a criminal indictment.
 
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Holy shit, he sounds like the Dukes at the end of Trading Places. "Bring those people back in here! Turn those machines back on!"

Good one! I was thinking also of the Governor and his assistants in O Brother Where Art Thou..."We got to get ourselves some of that Re-form!"


We aren't at the point yet where charges would be filed. They are still determining if A) they should be and B) If A is true, do we dare indict someone who half the country believes is above any law?

I dislike Trump as much as it's possible to dislike a public figure that you don't know, all I hope is that they've done due diligence and treat the case like John Q Public had these docs.
 

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Trump very well might be indicted, but I have zero confidence he will be held accountable or see jail time for a multitude of reasons: His secret service entitlements for being a former President, He has to many people to take the fall for him. Trump appointed judges. Any jury trial involving Trump, jury selection in Trump’s case could take at least twice as long as the actual trial. Gag orders for sure, probably from the moment of indictment. It could take 2+ years to get to a trial. Then, A 50/50 chance a Republican getting elected and pardoning him. There are always people who have never heard of or have heard very little about the case. In Trump’s case, it’s shocking to believe this could be true. In the OJ Simpson trial, there were 15 alternates. For Trump, I'm going with 20 or more. It's very possible the jurors are going to be sequestered under the strictest restrictions possible. Like the DOJ clearing out an entire hotel instead of just a floor or keeping them on a military base. No juror is even going to be allowed to touch a phone or computer. No radio, no TV unless it can only show DVDs. No un-chaperoned contact with even they’re closest family members. And so on. The right wing media will turn it into a circus.

I'm hoping he's held accountable and jailed, but I'm settling for some type of punishment that rules that he never be allowed to run for elected office.

Speaking of Trump appointed judges - The Trump-appointed judge initially asked the Trump team to submit something that explained what authority she had to hear the matter at all. So far as I’m aware, I don’t believe they’ve submitted anything in response. And then, on Saturday, she issues a statement that she intends to rule in accordance with what Trump’s lawyers are asking for. Ummm, wut? Does the prosecution not have a say? And under what authority is she acting, anyway? Why on earth is this Trump-appointed judge even allowed to entertain and rule on this time waster? She’s not even the judge in the main case. Trump won’t be able to choose the "special master". It must be a person agreed upon by both parties, and they must be qualified to view all the documents – meaning hold top clearances. But, if I'm the prosecutor in this case, I’d first challenge the authority of this judge to hear the matter at all.

From the NYT article:

“Judge Cannon asked them, in a rare rebuke, to send her clarifications about what precisely they were asking for and why she should handle the case and not Judge Bruce E. Einhart, who handled the unsealing of the warrant.”

So, what were the clarification and why, exactly, did she not simply refer them back to Einhart? Is this document public?
 
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If only there was a way to explain to Trump supporters why he is a criminal, the world would be a much better place. I get it that not everyone knows the deep details of how classified documents work, but could Fox News be held accountable for spreading the false rumor that Trump had the legal authority to declassified documents at will? The only way I can think of Fox News ever being found responsible for spreading such rumor, would be if it was possible to declare Fox News a national threat by spreading lies about how classified documents work.
 

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Good one! I was thinking also of the Governor and his assistants in O Brother Where Art Thou..."We got to get ourselves some of that Re-form!"


We aren't at the point yet where charges would be filed. They are still determining if A) they should be and B) If A is true, do we dare indict someone who half the country believes is above any law?

I dislike Trump as much as it's possible to dislike a public figure that you don't know, all I hope is that they've done due diligence and treat the case like John Q Public had these docs.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I believe if the FBI had found those documents in my house, I would be in jail. They put normal people in jail and deny bail for far far less every day.
 

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Last time you rambled off a bunch of questions that were already answered if you had even read one article about the issue, what are your new questions that need to be answered?
I don't recall that, but I'll take your word for it.
The questions I have don't matter in this venue, as the answers will all be speculation and opinion. I don't care about either of those in this case, so I'll wait for the trial. I would assume that the charges will be filled in a reasonable time frame as the FBI appears to have collected the necessary evidence.
 
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Oh he can smell his own ass on fire for SURE... He is losing it.. (whater "it" is...)

Sad thing is, a good number of his followers agree with him, let's overturn the election! I remember back when for a short while it actually looked like Al Gore won the election, but they recounted Florida and Bush Jr ended up winning. There wasn't much of a stink over it, didn't Gore conced later that same night? And the country moved on. And that election was razor thin. Where in 2020 Trump got trounced by the exact same numbers he was bragging about beating Hillary by. Gore almost had a case to dispute the results, Trump has nothing here so he resorts to pulling shit completely out of his ass. And his idiot klan will follow along like it's the word of God.

Hilarious how all his supporters claim they want to MAGA, but it all goes out the window when Trump is in any sort of potential trouble.
 
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If they go off again, then folks will know.

So, in other words you were full of shit.

Then again, interesting that you refer to Hitler as your boy.

Takes a special kind of stupid to try and quibble that typically when a wannabe dictator tries and fails to enact a coup that they tend to end up imprisoned or dead, but hey you can argue pointless stupid shit if you want. Just don't expect people to do anything but laugh when you can't post anything more than that pathetic response after being called out for your clown assed antics.
 
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