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zinfamous

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I don't think this is true. Can't be. Don’t tease me like that. Trump handling the case pro se?… there’s not enough fucking popcorn on earth…

It's always true for a certain point in time...just like any molecular or even atomic reaction. In the quantum world, all things kinda exist at the same time.

Trump is filing from lawyers some documents without having representation once those documents get processed, no? It's like...he thinks there's some people handling his papers, and they are, and they wrote in the liner notes that this filing is pro se etc, so just a formality, and Trump probably knows enough that he knows that he needs a lawyer by Tuesday at 8AM to respond to the filing officially.

So there's an interim term where it is just Trump on his own now, and that's his gamble.

It's really a test of all the lawyer jokes at this point, and Trump just gave it to us: Is the profession strong enough to defend itself by holding out for a single fucking week--way better odds than any ditch-dwelling addict--or is one simple idiot going to put his balls on the bullet and jump in for Trump by the end of next Monday, or whatever the deadline is.

I think that's what we're waiting to see, no? If all our generations-long lawyer jokes are validated, or suddenly made irrelevant.

In some universes, Trump might earn a medal for that.
 
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HomerJS

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Letter from national archives to Trump back in May that said basically 3 things

1. You have highly classified documents
2. You have no right to an executive privilege claim and the NA is not granting your request
3. We want our shit back and are referring this to the FBI for ongoing criminal probe

The NA first contacted Trump back in April

 

alien42

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Trumps filing claims are nonsensical, as usual. It’s the “throw shit to the wall and see what sticks” method, but done very obviously and poorly.

“I didn’t have any classified documents”
“They were planted by the FBI”
“I did have them, but they’re mine”
“They’re not mine, but I claim executive privilege”
“I declassified them, even though I didn’t tell anyone”
“It’s a witch hunt”

None of these are actual defenses. They are silly shit that a child or criminal would use as an excuse.

A quote from the filing:

"Once back in the dining room, one of the FBI agents said, “Thank you. You did not need to show us the storage room, but we appreciate it. Now it all makes sense.” Sure, Donny. That’s exactly what they said. lol

Leaving aside the self serving and heavily embellished narrative it's interesting to pay attention to what they seem particularly concerned about. The specified actions that they seem to want the court to take;

An independent third party established to go through the documents.
The FBI to stop looking through the documents until the third party is established.
A complete list of exactly what was taken (how they are supposed to do this without looking at them isn’t specified.)
Everything not listed on the warrant returned to Trump.

I don’t think the law works that way. A person suspected of a crime doesn’t get to negotiate how the evidence against them is handled, or ask for independent oversight. They essentially need a judge to agree that the FBI can’t be trusted. What color is the sky in their world?

the Trump appointed judge is giving Trump's lawyers until Friday to "clarify five aspects of their legal effort"

 

ch33zw1z

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He didn't expect to win but it's his religion to "think big."

He's a publicity hound. The first time he saw his name in the newspaper he got a hardon. After he became well known as a real estate mogul, and particularly after The Apprentice (which rescued him from his Nth bankruptcy), some people would ask him if he was considering running for president and it grew from there. At first he just answered because he had to, something. After a while, well, the novelty of it started getting traction in some circles and it grew like a cancer and here we are.

sure, but he also ran in 2012 and was laughed off the stage. I think he wanted it, and his motivations were personal.

when I say it was clear he thought the president ruled like a king, I’m referring to how he attacked Obama repeatedly. It was obvious he thought obama ruled like a king, and there was a jealousy overtone to his attacks
 
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Serve a subpoena or warrant again in person for the documents needed with a few agents present to take custody immediately.

No roadblocks, no police blocking traffic, no helicopters.
No Drama.

May 10th Letter was sent and presumably ignored.


Appears the letter was sent to his Lawyer(s) this isn’t a bulk mail usps type letter that gets tossed.
 
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Jaskalas

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Oh there was nothing nefarious about Trump having those documents. It was just another grift where he saw opportunity to make money or leverage it in future legal battles. He's shallow. He has no grand master plans. It is all about money and saving his own ass.

Having those docs with the intention to use (share) them is of extreme treason / national security risk.
Nefarious is an understatement.
 

fskimospy

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May 10th Letter was sent and presumably ignored.


Appears the letter was sent to his Lawyer(s) this isn’t a bulk mail usps type letter that gets tossed.
Yes, it seems the FBI did everything pcgeek wanted and more. Sending agents to seize the documents was clearly something they tried very hard to avoid. Looks like they did it only when Trump made it clear that he had no intention of ever returning them.

If anything considering the sensitivity of the documents Trump should be thanking them for not breaking down his door.
 

VRAMdemon

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the Trump appointed judge is giving Trump's lawyers until Friday to "clarify five aspects of their legal effort"


Yeah ... Those "lawyers" appear to be incompetent or completely out of their depth. This is one reason why Trump has trouble finding lawyers, because he demands that they take positions that have no legal support at all. The filing is a PR stunt, a public relations stunt. He wants to have his own foothold on the narrative. He wants to kill the messenger instead of dealing with the facts.

Lawyers would be reluctant to work for Trump beacause it's very well known that he will force them to do things that are unethical and illegal. Reading Trumps motion, it's shocking that these "lawyers" would risk their licenses by filing this piece of garbage. At it's core - it's the Alice in Wonderland of legal arguments. I'm sure some lawyers with a Trump university diploma might be avaiable.

I go back to a quote in the filing:

"Once back in the dining room, one of the FBI agents said, “Thank you. You did not need to show us the storage room, but we appreciate it. Now it all makes sense.”

It is possible that this is what the FBI said, but not in the way Trump wants us to interpret it.

In other words, “Wow - thanks for showing us where the documents you say you don’t have are kept, and how ineptly they’re being kept. You really shouldn’t have done that, but we’re not your legal team. Now I fully understand the urgency in retrieving all of these sensitive documents you shouldn’t have.”

Hopefully these arguments get dismissed and mocked for their cartoonish obviousness

Trump has always had kompromat-type materials filed away. Just look at his prior relationship with the National Enquirer/Pecker and what Michael Cohen did for him. It's not hard to believe that he had compromising documents on leading Republicans that were classified, documents kept for bragging rights and these type of documents he kept to maintain his position as King Idiot, and for leverage/blackmail. He publicly said that the FBI opened his safe, and suddenly all his hip hanger cultists are against the law-and-order FBI. And then, he demands to get he documents back, throwing up a bunch of bullshit reasons so that people can find technicalities to justify it, all so he can continue to be King of the Idiots.

Trumpie - “I want someone friendly and loyal to me to go over all the stuff I stole and give me MY Kompromat back”
 

hal2kilo

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Yes, it seems the FBI did everything pcgeek wanted and more. Sending agents to seize the documents was clearly something they tried very hard to avoid. Looks like they did it only when Trump made it clear that he had no intention of ever returning them.

If anything considering the sensitivity of the documents Trump should be thanking them for not breaking down his door.
If anything, they were negligent in waiting so long to get unsecured "holiest of the hollies" classified data. The damage assessment is going to be fun.
 

VRAMdemon

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It's always true for a certain point in time...just like any molecular or even atomic reaction. In the quantum world, all things kinda exist at the same time.

Trump is filing from lawyers some documents without having representation once those documents get processed, no? It's like...he thinks there's some people handling his papers, and they are, and they wrote in the liner notes that this filing is pro se etc, so just a formality, and Trump probably knows enough that he knows that he needs a lawyer by Tuesday at 8AM to respond to the filing officially.

So there's an interim term where it is just Trump on his own now, and that's his gamble.

It's really a test of all the lawyer jokes at this point, and Trump just gave it to us: Is the profession strong enough to defend itself by holding out for a single fucking week--way better odds than any ditch-dwelling addict--or is one simple idiot going to put his balls on the bullet and jump in for Trump by the end of next Monday, or whatever the deadline is.

I think that's what we're waiting to see, no? If all our generations-long lawyer jokes are validated, or suddenly made irrelevant.

In some universes, Trump might earn a medal for that.
Haha! ... As much as I want it to be true that Trump is representing himself. I just can't see his circus handlers letting it happen. It's gotta be a clerical error
 

fskimospy

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If anything, they were negligent in waiting so long to get unsecured "holiest of the hollies" classified data. The damage assessment is going to be fun.
Agree - it's kind of nuts just how lenient the FBI was with Trump considering the stakes involved. If you or I had that kind of super highly classified information and when it was requested back we said 'no' we would be greeted with guns in our faces I imagine. Yet still despite EXTREME levels of restraint conservatives are still complaining Trump was treated too harshly.
 

VRAMdemon

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I imagine the FBI agents, having just taken stock of a unprecedented crime in both nature and scope, would’ve been more circumspect. But who the hell knows. As with so many, if not all things in TrumpWorld, it’s completely impossible to even guess.

FBI agent - “Thank you Mr Trump. You, uh, you did NOT need to show us the storage room, but (snicker!) we appreciate it. Now it ALL makes sense (meaningful one eyed glance at another agent)." I can see them doing it totally stone-faced, then breaking down in the car in laughter.

Since Trump has no legal right to any of the documents, I wonder how this is any different than the FBI finding a 10 lb bag of cocaine at Mar-a-Lago.

So Trump is asking for a "special master" to determine how much of the coke he gets to keep?
 
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