News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

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trenchfoot

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I always bring this up but during the 2016 campaign, supporters always get asked about his infidelity. What, I’m not voting him for Pope!!! Like shouldn’t POTUS be held to the highest standards?

Trump won over his other Repub contenders based on how he could out-lie and out-shout and out-con the others. Standards got thrown out the window when Trump controlled the narrative in his favor, a narrative that was nothing more than empty promises, crude insults and catchy phrases that had no relationship with reality. He won over Clinton with the same schtick along with incessantly stabbing at Clinton's vulnerabilities of which were mostly fabricated, although it didn't make a microgram of difference to his newly gained cult following.

For Trump's fan base, he created his own bottom of the barrel level of standards because it was impossible for him to rise to the level of his competition and his followers glossed over it by creating an false image of him that they could cheer on and onward into oblivion. He is a poison pill that the party faithful swallowed, are feeling the effects thereof and are ignoring the symptoms, mostly to spite his critics, some in order to keep the faith in someone who would slit their throats if he thought it would somehow be to his benefit.
 

fskimospy

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I always bring this up but during the 2016 campaign, supporters always get asked about his infidelity. What, I’m not voting him for Pope!!! Like shouldn’t POTUS be held to the highest standards?
I don’t think issues of personal morality like fidelity in marriage are important traits of a president.

The main issue is Republicans spent the last several decades pretending to believe it was so it’s perfectly reasonable to ask them when they changed their minds and why.
 

Pohemi

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I don’t think issues of personal morality like fidelity in marriage are important traits of a president.

The main issue is Republicans spent the last several decades pretending to believe it was so it’s perfectly reasonable to ask them when they changed their minds and why.
The hypocrisy is typical and expected from the clown party at this point, yeah.

And while I wouldn't hold divorce or numerous marriages against a person...infidelities and "pussy-grabbing" speak to the honesty and reliability of a person's character imho.
 

fskimospy

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I've got the perfect special master. She's a lawyer and AFAIK, still is able to practice law. She also has plenty of continuing education in handling of classified documents and no love for the FBI.

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VRAMdemon

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I'm not sure Trump had any plans to sell the documents. It's evident that Trump doesn’t plan much of anything. When Trump sees something of value (people, documents, property, ideas, favors) he claims them for himself. The documents he stole were leverage; something to keep until he found a use for them, or could trade for something better.

He wants the warrant released, not that he’s actually going to do it himself. No, he “wants it released to the public”, so his allies can spin it in his favor, and all the while he can denounce what the "fake news media" says about it, without really having to “do” anything. It’s better for other, little people to push buttons that make things happen, so he can be the victim here.

It’s most likely another one of those times when he "says" he wants something to happen (that he really doesn’t want to happen) so that he can piss and moan about other people "obstructing" him and keeping him from doing stuff that needs doing.

This documents kerfuffle has really highlighted (AGAIN!) just how much Trumps worldview doesn’t have room to even consider the constraints of the rule of law, let alone norms. Anyone else would have never taken the documents. If they still possessed them by some accident, they’d return them immediately upon discovery or notification. No, not with this clown - "It’s not theirs, it’s mine!" A person doesn't do this if they don’t have the most tenuous grasp of and a complete lack of this thing we all call reality.
 

pete6032

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I'm not sure Trump had any plans to sell the documents. It's evident that Trump doesn’t plan much of anything. When Trump sees something of value (people, documents, property, ideas, favors) he claims them for himself.
After reading about all of this I don't think the documents were taken with any intent to sell or profit off of them. Trump is a pack rat and in his words said the documents were "mine." The docs he took include his little love letter from Kim Jong Un. Seems like he took these documents as trophies mainly. The big question is who else aceessed them and who did they show the documents to?
 

K1052

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I'm not sure Trump had any plans to sell the documents. It's evident that Trump doesn’t plan much of anything. When Trump sees something of value (people, documents, property, ideas, favors) he claims them for himself. The documents he stole were leverage; something to keep until he found a use for them, or could trade for something better.

He wants the warrant released, not that he’s actually going to do it himself. No, he “wants it released to the public”, so his allies can spin it in his favor, and all the while he can denounce what the "fake news media" says about it, without really having to “do” anything. It’s better for other, little people to push buttons that make things happen, so he can be the victim here.

It’s most likely another one of those times when he "says" he wants something to happen (that he really doesn’t want to happen) so that he can piss and moan about other people "obstructing" him and keeping him from doing stuff that needs doing.

This documents kerfuffle has really highlighted (AGAIN!) just how much Trumps worldview doesn’t have room to even consider the constraints of the rule of law, let alone norms. Anyone else would have never taken the documents. If they still possessed them by some accident, they’d return them immediately upon discovery or notification. No, not with this clown - "It’s not theirs, it’s mine!" A person doesn't do this if they don’t have the most tenuous grasp of and a complete lack of this thing we all call reality.

I think he took them because he's stupid and thought he'd show them off later to impress guests at his golf club.
 

zinfamous

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Is it not fascinating to anyone else that we have this place called Mar-a-Lago, and it's rather quite "Special master," that have represented an undisputed clear and present threat to United States security and intelligence, as well as its close allies, for exactly 6 years now, and we're still seeing shit like this carry on in public--that it's more like "Drama" to be dealt with--for the actual fan club of the actual treason being committed for 6 straight years--rather than dealing with the direct threat 6 years ago by acting on then-known intelligence of the threat posed by the Trump family, which was even reported multiple times and only ever confirmed, dozens of times thereafter...

this is actually what real prison, and (as with most of the exact same cases in the past) execution was designed for. Gee, I wonder what Eric Snowden and Chelsea Manning think of their own very real intended breaches of intelligence and national security. Gee, gotta wonder what such people think....

I mean. the fuck is this shit? It's actually the real world. We've even got taint-sniffing pieces of shit in this thread, only ever rallying for team Dickless. To this fucking day.

It's god damn insane.
 

zinfamous

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I'm not sure Trump had any plans to sell the documents. It's evident that Trump doesn’t plan much of anything. When Trump sees something of value (people, documents, property, ideas, favors) he claims them for himself. The documents he stole were leverage; something to keep until he found a use for them, or could trade for something better.

He wants the warrant released, not that he’s actually going to do it himself. No, he “wants it released to the public”, so his allies can spin it in his favor, and all the while he can denounce what the "fake news media" says about it, without really having to “do” anything. It’s better for other, little people to push buttons that make things happen, so he can be the victim here.

It’s most likely another one of those times when he "says" he wants something to happen (that he really doesn’t want to happen) so that he can piss and moan about other people "obstructing" him and keeping him from doing stuff that needs doing.

This documents kerfuffle has really highlighted (AGAIN!) just how much Trumps worldview doesn’t have room to even consider the constraints of the rule of law, let alone norms. Anyone else would have never taken the documents. If they still possessed them by some accident, they’d return them immediately upon discovery or notification. No, not with this clown - "It’s not theirs, it’s mine!" A person doesn't do this if they don’t have the most tenuous grasp of and a complete lack of this thing we all call reality.
After reading about all of this I don't think the documents were taken with any intent to sell or profit off of them. Trump is a pack rat and in his words said the documents were "mine." The docs he took include his little love letter from Kim Jong Un. Seems like he took these documents as trophies mainly. The big question is who else aceessed them and who did they show the documents to?


I think he took them because he's stupid and thought he'd show them off later to impress guests at his golf club.

I've only ever thought that it's all these things all the time. Primarily, he wants them to brag and show off because he's still a playground bitch boy to this day. He's never changed.

But he also knows their value. He'll brag about most of them, carelessly and with anyone; which is just the same threat as when he intends to use them for leverage and for acquiring properties and favors from our absolute worst enemies, which is absolutely a thing that he wants to do. No one can deny that this is a goal of his that has ever paid any attention to Trump.

Hell, let's not forget the $2 billion favor to Kushner. I mean, let's not stop talking about this, correct?
 

HomerJS

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Tsinni Dave

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I think it is worth remembering that the owner of The National Enquirer is/was a very good friend and advisor to Trump and keeps a safe full of kompromat to blackmail / silence opponents. I would not assume that Trump is just an idiot hoarder when every piece of evidence shows that he will use any lever at his disposal to get what he wants, and all he seems to want is power, money and control, since I'm guessing he isn't having much sex in Mara Largo.
 

sportage

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Yeah.... I just robbed a bank but want the police barred from knowing how much I took in the robbery. I'm sure there is a law for THAT.
 
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sportage

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I'm not sure Trump had any plans to sell the documents.

Be assured, Trump does have plans. And most likely will sell to the Soviets and or North Korea. Remember the rule of thump when it comes to anything Donald Trump....
You hear the bad, then you take that and multiply by 10000 and then you come close to knowing the true evils and Donald Trump's true intentions. Heck... only the devil will ever know why Donald Trump took those Whitehouse documents. The devil and Donald Trump....

I just keep going back to poor Mitch McConnell. Mitch knows now more than ever before that he could have stopped all of this long ago dead in its tracks with one simple impeachment vote from himself and from a few other republicans.

Trump was and is the Frankenstein monster. The monster could have been destroyed by the towns people, but instead Mitch McConnell gave the monster a second dose of electricity and thus gave new life to the perceived dead monster. Now, the towns people will have to kill the monster all over again.