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Motostu

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Want a good laugh for your Sat? Wonder if Fox will adopt this latest excuse? It may be too comical even for them

I had no idea that Mar A Lago was such a secure facility, with limited access areas, physical security, GSA approved containers, etc.

God, Rudy's an idiot. The sadder part is there are people out there that will believe this crap.
 

cytg111

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I had no idea that Mar A Lago was such a secure facility, with limited access areas, physical security, GSA approved containers, etc.

God, Rudy's an idiot. The sadder part is there are people out there that will believe this crap.

"Investigators discovered classified documents in two areas: Trump’s personal office above a ballroom and in a storage room near the pool. Sources say there were “boxes everywhere,” with some containing Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI). Those are considered some of the highest level of classified documents. "


These people are idiots. I mean, they must be, unless papers were arranged to be there for easy access to third party and thus treasonous.
Its one or the other... well it can be both.. its probably both.
 

Lezunto

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Was Rudy's eyebrows bouncing up and down on his forehead? His eyes tend to bulge at inopportune moments as well.

Sometimes, he is good for a laugh.
 
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But what was the difference in impeachment and successful removal and banned from holding elected office again any different to the criminal conviction and not being able to hold elected office being discussed now? Only because impeachment in the constitution vs legislation?

Because the qualifications for President are an explicit part of the constitution, the legal argument is that only constitutional amendment can modify them.
 

Pohemi

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God, Rudy's an idiot. The sadder part is there are people out there that will believe this crap.
10s of millions.

Sad? Sure. Ridiculous? Definitely. Shocking from an outside, objective observer perspective? I'd imagine so. It's becoming more and more common and normalized in the US now; people are becoming numb to it.

It's been frustrating to watch the downward spiral of partisan fuckery in not just the legislative and executive branches, but now our "justice system" as well (and the portion of the populace that seemingly gets more brainwashed by the year, and then projects it at everyone else) the past 20-25 years. Frustrating and angering, and rethuglicons are proud of it, and want to sit around and taunt opponents instead of actually governing as they were hired or elected to do.
 

Muse

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Because the qualifications for President are an explicit part of the constitution, the legal argument is that only constitutional amendment can modify them.
This constant litmus testing against the 200+ year old constitution created by (and arguably for) rich white men at a time when slavery was legal (and the founders "owned" slaves) and women could not vote, is a huge problem for US.

This is a really good essay published in the New York Times a few days ago explaining this in detail, written by law professors at Harvard and Yale. This link should work for 14 days, i.e. through Septemter 3:

 
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hal2kilo

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I'm thinking destroying the Trump organization is for the most part destroying Trump himself. What will remain of his wealth in the aftermath and the possible bankruptcies that he'll wind up filing in order to protect what's left of it from his creditors and from further lawsuits and indictments is anybody's guess, but having his empire dismantled and in shambles is also wrecking that facade of being a suave smooth-talking macho macho man he'd built up around him. I'm sure he'll keep that up until he's dead and gone, but he'll be exposed for what he really is in ways he and his supporters have never had the humiliation to experience and that alone is justice served in and of itself.
Seriously, we will find the depths of Trump's selfishness when his children are about to get jail time. There are only so many employees to blame if it's not Trump himself who ordered fraudulent things to be done by the organization. Remember it's just a small family business.
 

hal2kilo

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I had no idea that Mar A Lago was such a secure facility, with limited access areas, physical security, GSA approved containers, etc.

God, Rudy's an idiot. The sadder part is there are people out there that will believe this crap.
Yea, as someone who was faced with the possibility of having to have a classified safe in my office, the regulations of safes is spelled out in detail. A padlock on a door of a storage room doesn't even begin to pass the sniff test.
46 CFR § 503.59 - Safeguarding classified information. | CFR | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)
GSA Container and Safe - Supplying Military, Government, and Civilian Contractors Worldwide (gsasafes.com)
Fortunately, since it was TS material, it was not possible due to my office not being secured enough. Plus on the military base that I was working on, there is only one possible TS certified storage available. I spent the last few years before I retired trying to get permission to store said materials in there. At the time of my retirement, it was still not resolved. This also resulted in not being able to do a significant part of my job which was to provide APL with a quick summary of possible problems with data acquired to speed up their processing of data. It essentially eliminated that part of my job because the Performance Monitor (how the system performed) data which contained no classified data was generated on a system that was now declared to be TS.
 
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woolfe9998

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Because the qualifications for President are an explicit part of the constitution, the legal argument is that only constitutional amendment can modify them.

Right, which is why he must be found guilty of fomenting an insurrection, as the 14th amendment is clear on that.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
 

pcgeek11

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Show me your numbers but keep in mind Trump admin was not above fudging numbers. Show me independent numbers from a trustworthy source.

Then keep in mind that neither issue would ever enter your mind day to day regardless of numbers unless you let someone shit it into your skull regularly. The issue literally doesn't affect you.


I don't have any numbers, but they are freely available.


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Provisional data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate there were an estimated 107,622 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 2021, an increase of nearly 15% from the 93,655 deaths estimated in 2020. The 2021 increase was half of what it was a year ago, when overdose deaths rose 30% from 2019 to 2020.

The new data show overdose deaths involving opioids increased from an estimated 70,029 in 2020 to 80,816 in 2021. Overdose deaths from synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl), psychostimulants such as methamphetamine, and cocaine also continued to increase in 2021 compared to 2020.
 

cytg111

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I don't have any numbers, but they are freely available.


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Provisional data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate there were an estimated 107,622 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 2021, an increase of nearly 15% from the 93,655 deaths estimated in 2020. The 2021 increase was half of what it was a year ago, when overdose deaths rose 30% from 2019 to 2020.

The new data show overdose deaths involving opioids increased from an estimated 70,029 in 2020 to 80,816 in 2021. Overdose deaths from synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl), psychostimulants such as methamphetamine, and cocaine also continued to increase in 2021 compared to 2020.
We should request a mod to cut this sidetrack out of this thread shouldnt we?
 

sportage

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Bill Maher said it best that the problem isn't that Trump people actually believe the election was rigged or that Trump really won, the problem is those trump republicans simply do not want democrats in control. Trumpies will not accept nor tollerate democrats in the presidency, in the house or in the senate so they push this faked election crap. Most of them know that the election was legit, but what they refuse to accept is the idea of a democrat having won.

Frankly, that tactic is straight out of the Q playbook. Q's believe democrats are too evil and too perverse to hold government office of any kind or to hold any government position. That is why they label all democrats as pedophiles and child molesters. It's easy to despise a child molester and thus it's easy to despise a democrat.

it is not that Trump lost, it is the notion of a democrat winning that fuels their election lie obsessions. They simply do not want democrats in power, at all, period. And if believing in election lies gets them to where they want to be then so be it.
 

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Bill Maher said it best that the problem isn't that Trump people actually believe the election was rigged or that Trump really won, the problem is those trump republicans simply do not want democrats in control. Trumpies will not accept nor tollerate democrats in the presidency, in the house or in the senate so they push this faked election crap. Most of them know that the election was legit, but what they refuse to accept is the idea of a democrat having won.

Frankly, that tactic is straight out of the Q playbook. Q's believe democrats are too evil and too perverse to hold government office of any kind or to hold any government position. That is why they label all democrats as pedophiles and child molesters. It's easy to despise a child molester and thus it's easy to despise a democrat.

it is not that Trump lost, it is the notion of a democrat winning that fuels their election lie obsessions. They simply do not want democrats in power, at all, period. And if believing in election lies gets them to where they want to be then so be it.
Yup. they have moral certitude of their own superiority. They have persuaded themselves that horse shit is the good. This is the result of childhood control over their behavior becoming associated with dire threat, the fear of hell or the threat of being beaten senseless. Children are mirrors and they show us who the monsters really are. They model our actual behavior back to us and it makes us want to kill them. It is a behavior we are terrified to see.

If Democrats are elected they may so something to strip away that mask of feigned sanctity, they in particular depend owing to the depth of their fear.
 

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Provisional data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate there were an estimated 107,622 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 2021, an increase of nearly 15% from the 93,655 deaths estimated in 2020. The 2021 increase was half of what it was a year ago, when overdose deaths rose 30% from 2019 to 2020.

The new data show overdose deaths involving opioids increased from an estimated 70,029 in 2020 to 80,816 in 2021. Overdose deaths from synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl), psychostimulants such as methamphetamine, and cocaine also continued to increase in 2021 compared to 2020.

Your last link does not well support your assertion that "[drugs were] a lot less of a problem during the Trump presidency." Because the overdose deaths ticked up twice as much between 2019 and 2020 as they did between 2020 and 2021. A reasonable non-partisan observer would interpret that as 1) drug OD's are on a upward trend in the US. 2) because the trend spans two administrations, the upward trend has little or nothing to do with who is in office.
 
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dank69

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I don't have any numbers, but they are freely available.
You don't have any numbers but believe it to be true anyway? Sounds sort of like someone told you to think it then?


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We're now going to Google for some things that appear to back you up? Okay. Looks like methodology changed in FY20? Regardless, I wouldn't trust the FY17-FY20 numbers as far as I could throw you.


So more law and order under Biden? Sounds good not sure why you think this is automatically bad. I'm kidding, we all know it's because you were told it was bad.


Provisional data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate there were an estimated 107,622 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 2021, an increase of nearly 15% from the 93,655 deaths estimated in 2020. The 2021 increase was half of what it was a year ago, when overdose deaths rose 30% from 2019 to 2020.

The new data show overdose deaths involving opioids increased from an estimated 70,029 in 2020 to 80,816 in 2021. Overdose deaths from synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl), psychostimulants such as methamphetamine, and cocaine also continued to increase in 2021 compared to 2020.
And what does Buden have to do with opioids? Like what mechanic or policy do you think is causing the increase? Are we supposed to believe that immigration and border policy is leading to the increase in Alaska, where the increase was the largest? Once again, someone told you this was bad and that it's Biden's fault and you just accept that uncritically.

Fuck outta here with this nonsense derailment.
 
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Moonbeam

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I don't have any numbers, but they are freely available.
You will have trouble convincing liberals of this because
they look at data more with their intellect than emotionally. That does not mean they will stay rational when they run into somebody who believes what they feel would be best for them to believe without evidence. They they will be filled with irrational contempt for you. They build a sense of self worth on their intellectual and reasoning capacity and the presence of blind believers in the world disturbs their moral certainty that they are on to something good. We have this issue, it would seem, of a secret doubt about our worth as people.