This is a blind spot for politically engaged people. Most Americans are not like us. It doesn’t matter what partisan democrats think and it doesn’t matter what partisan republicans think. What matters is everyone else and in case democrats haven’t noticed that’s why we won in 2018, 2020, and 2022.
I mean think whatever you want but it seems like you should at least try to explain why your own cited expert disagrees with your position.
Your guy thinks Garland did this because he thinks Trump will be indicted. Is he wrong?
Is there a sizeable group of politically unengaged people that will have their views changed from yes this is politically motivated to no it’s not politically motivated by the appointment of a special counsel?
I guess it’s a low cost gambit to potentially change some minds regardless of how well it works.
While I wouldn’t say on this issue specifically I think there is a decisive cohort of voters who are swayed by politically moderate policies, which this is.
What’s funny about this is that any senior executive’s job is to hire good people. Trump is admitting he’s a shit manager.
sportage
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Just wondering, is there anything that could make us feel sorry for Donald Trump?
Oh say, all this stress cause him a stroke, heart attack, or to faint on stage in the middle of giving one of his rambling speeches?
Or what if he just broke down and started crying? Sobbing on Fox news?
Or what if Trump simply said to the world, I'm sorry? I just got caught up in all the politics and power. I could no longer tell right from wrong. I didn't intend for my people to attack police and attack the congress. I didn't really mean what I said about Mike Pence, Mike was a good man for me and to me.
Would a heart felt apology from Donald Trump make any difference? Show that he does have a soul after all? Would it change any minds? Or, would his base turn on him because he exposed a softer side, a more human side, a side where he acknowledged the election was not rigged and Joe Biden was the better candidate?
And I know what you all are thinking.... what the hell am I smokin this early in the morning???
Smith has experience in investigating and prosecuting high level government officials, also in prosecuting dictators for war crimes and crimes against humanity. It looks like Smith understands the importance of holding leaders accountable. Bringing in a guy with experience in prosecuting dictators just might be a good move. A guy with Smith’s resume doesn’t give up his job at The Hague to flit over to the US only to announce there will be no prosecutions.
There are also unstated legitimate reasons for Garland to add this layer of protection. Namely, when Jim Jordan and his insurrectionist cohorts begin their “investigations” into Garland, Garland will be able to honestly say he has no current knowledge about the status of the investigations into Trump and you'll have to defer to the special councel. If the Dems had prevailed in the mid-terms, would Garland have taken this step? I don't know. But this is one reason why it was important for him to know which way the mid-terms were going to go before making any move against Trump. And ... If a Republican wins the 2024 presidential election, Merrick Garland can be fired. It will be much harder to get rid of the special counsel.
I don’t think we’ll wait too long before things proceed as quickly as possible. Both Garland and Smith placed emphasis on their intentions that the investigations proceed without delay.
Also ... Garland moved only the portions of the January 6th investigation concerning the higher-ups to Smith’s purview. Mark Meadows, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, et al. He’s leaving the actual, low-level insurrectionists in the Capitol under DC jurisdiction.
I do wish Garland had made the call himself. I think reports of Trump’s widespread support are wildly overblown and the majority of America is anticipating charges.
There are also unstated legitimate reasons for Garland to add this layer of protection. Namely, when Jim Jordan and his insurrectionist cohorts begin their “investigations” into Garland, Garland will be able to honestly say he has no current knowledge about the status of the investigations into Trump and you'll have to defer to the special councel. If the Dems had prevailed in the mid-terms, would Garland have taken this step? I don't know. But this is one reason why it was important for him to know which way the mid-terms were going to go before making any move against Trump. And ... If a Republican wins the 2024 presidential election, Merrick Garland can be fired. It will be much harder to get rid of the special counsel.
I don’t think we’ll wait too long before things proceed as quickly as possible. Both Garland and Smith placed emphasis on their intentions that the investigations proceed without delay.
Also ... Garland moved only the portions of the January 6th investigation concerning the higher-ups to Smith’s purview. Mark Meadows, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, et al. He’s leaving the actual, low-level insurrectionists in the Capitol under DC jurisdiction.
I do wish Garland had made the call himself. I think reports of Trump’s widespread support are wildly overblown and the majority of America is anticipating charges.
Pens1566
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Nah, we've been over this several times. You can't seem to separate what should happen from what will happen. You're not changing your mind, so I'm not wasting my time.
And he said "possibility". Again, that's not "thinks he'll be indicted".
Have a good one.
Lol nope. Even if he donates all his money, nothing will make up for the trash he contributed to the world.Just wondering, is there anything that could make us feel sorry for Donald Trump?
*snip*
And I know what you all are thinking.... what the hell am I smokin this early in the morning???
And yeah we do wonder what drugs are required for the majority of your posts here
What's the alternative? Not investing and prosecuting crimes by former politicians? Ultimately the DOJ needs to uphold the law and do so in the most non-partisan fashion it can and not worry about the spin.
It was on NPR on my ride home that Garland couldn't overrule the special counsel without notifying Congress. As far as charging decisions specifically, that I don't know.
This is the usual response on here when people have no answer but don’t want to admit it. They declare that the person is reasoning emotionally instead of logically so therefore their position is invalid or whatever.
If you can’t explain why your own source disagrees with you just say so. If you think he doesn’t know what he’s talking about just say so.
Pens1566
Lifer
- Oct 11, 2005
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I believe this is rather old news and was reported at the time it was released as being amazingly brain-dead stupid.Trump leaked a top secret photograph. A contractor Reality Winner went to jail for doing this very thing.
Trump revealed to have tweeted classified image from spy satellite (msn.com)
ivwshane
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It was discussed at the time and the consensus was that despite the stupidity of releasing such info, it was not illegal and well within trumps power.
Yep because at the time he was president and could on the fly declassify anything; but the level of damage to the country..... typical trump stupidity and general harm to USA.
Anyway this is more interesting; Barr sez that Trump could and should be legitimately charged for holding onto sensitive top-secret documents. This is very different than what he said a few months ago where he claimed it would be political to charge Trump so it caught me off guard:
The Mar a Lago case is the not the only thing Trump will be indicted on but it’s the most obvious. A lot of the shit Trump gets away with is white collar crime where you usually have to prove intent, which can be really hard.
This case though is a slam dunk. All you need to establish is:
1) Trump possessed the documents, which he did.
2) Trump knew he had them, which he did.
3) He was not legally entitled to possess them, which he was not.
As others have pointed out this is more like a drug possession case and those are easy to prove. It’s also why an indictment won’t take much time as this is a straightforward case.
Muse
Lifer
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Not true. He had to go through a process to declassify, couldn't just say "declassify that." Also, there are types of classified info he couldn't declassify.
My position was for Garland to simply press ahead, he's supposed to be a great prosecutor and probably has a great handle on the case. The counsel isn't a bad thing, just another delay and moving part in a overall complex case.
Its not that Trump is a shit manager but a shit human being. Everyone who works or is around Trumps orbit leaves having bad things to say about him. Trumps response to those who where in his orbit and left to criticize him is always "I barely knew this guy" or "I don't know that person"
Thump553
Lifer
- Jun 2, 2000
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Totally agree with your analysis on the documents case, but the January 6th case(s) are much more complicated. We will be damn lucky if the Special Counsel reaches indictment stage on that before the cutoff for the 2024 election. And my gut says he won't split off the documents case and indict on that early.
I'm pissed that the documents case got rolled into this delaying tactic for no reason.
I don’t think they will pursue them together. I personally doubt Trump himself will be indicted for 1/6, although I think several of his close associates will be.
To me he will be indicted in the documents case and by Georgia.
Those are actual quotes from each of them about Trump, not ratings of each of them. (Although, to be fair, it is hard to tell...)
Fenixgoon
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yeah i read that the same way first. took me a minute to realize that that was THEIR assessment of trump
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