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woolfe9998

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I think any competent defense attorney would personally strangle Trump before allowing him to get on the witness stand for cross examination.
Yes, but his lawyers don't ultimately get to decide if he testifies. He might just foolishly think he can pull it off. Yet if he does listen to his lawyers, then fine, he has no declassification defense. It just won't work without his testimony.
 

HomerJS

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Impeachment? Surely she cant continue in a trusted office?
A complete smackdown by the appellate court in just one day. Unanimous decision. This woman can't remain on the bench without being disciplined. They ruled she "abused her discretion". In other words, we caught you favoring Trump at the detriment of the country and the rule of law.
“Trump’s worst day ever”: Appeals court says Mar-a-Lago judge “abused” discretion by backing Trump | Salon.com

"That was the most polite way the appellate court could smack down Judge Cannon," national security attorney says
 

soundforbjt

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A complete smackdown by the appellate court in just one day. Unanimous decision. This woman can't remain on the bench without being disciplined. They ruled she "abused her discretion". In other words, we caught you favoring Trump at the detriment of the country and the rule of law.
“Trump’s worst day ever”: Appeals court says Mar-a-Lago judge “abused” discretion by backing Trump | Salon.com
Too bad she'll never be punished and will possibly be rewarded.
 

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One thing that's kind of going unnoticed is that the 11th circuit likely had some of this opinion already written and teed up ready to go before the deadline even came. This was because of how bad a decision Cannon made and it was easy for them to do it without needing to wait on whatever legal trash would come from Team Treason.
 

amenx

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One thing that's kind of going unnoticed is that the 11th circuit likely had some of this opinion already written and teed up ready to go before the deadline even came. This was because of how bad a decision Cannon made and it was easy for them to do it without needing to wait on whatever legal trash would come from Team Treason.
Yeah, saw it on MTN and posted it here a few days ago.
 

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See, this all started with "and Mexico will pay for the wall...." culminating with "the election was stolen from me". In-between those two whopping stinking fictional fabrications and well, even before and after those fairy tales came launching out of his mouth there's the litany of falsehoods and yarns Trump defends himself with that are not only held as guidance from the heavens, they are taken as commandments to be carried out without question and acted upon by his followers.

It's Trump's cult members after all, many of them religious fundamentalists that give his lies substance and sustenance. How can they not see how conflicted and hypocritical they are in their increasingly bizarre attempts at defending Trump's equally bizarre behavior? You'd think there'd have to be some limit to which Trump's supporters will put up with his incredulous jaw dropping anti-gov't accusations that he's flinging out there into the infosphere in his attempts at justifying his ignorance of the laws that limit his abilities toward being the dictator he stupidly believes he is given the powers to be.
 

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One thing that's kind of going unnoticed is that the 11th circuit likely had some of this opinion already written and teed up ready to go before the deadline even came. This was because of how bad a decision Cannon made and it was easy for them to do it without needing to wait on whatever legal trash would come from Team Treason.
While the appeals court panel almost certainly put together much of the background context over the weekend and Monday prior to getting reply brief from Trump, they did take time to update it with the very latest - including material from Tuesday afternoon hearing with Special Master Judge Dearie - before publishing their opinion. But getting a 3 panel judge to fully agree on exact language by Wednesday, particularly this harsh of language, the day after Tuesday reply briefing and Tuesday PM hearing in another court is indeed quite rapid.

The panel wasn't (or shouldn't have been!) selected until Friday's appeal was filed - so don't think they would have started earlier than that, even though most of the 11th Circuit was likely awaiting a chance to swing at this Cannon disaster ~ before it further ruined all judges reputations as partisan hacks.
 

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Disappointed that this judge's first name is Aileen. Was hoping it would be Lucy or Lucia. Henceforth to be known as Judge "Luce" Cannon.

Still lots of scope for exasperated comments of "Oh, Come on, Aileen!"
 

eelw

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Lol this judge. He’s charging $500 a hour and will bill monthly. And will sanction if he doesn’t get paid.
 

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Dave_5k

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so this special master ain't fuckin around


now, can they get nailed for making shit up? or not really?
They can keep making shit up for talking trash on TV, until/unless this goes to criminal trial and trial judge tells them to stop it.

But for filing response to the court, they need some kind of evidence ~ a knowingly false affidavit or statement to the court is fully subject to perjury charges (which can mean real jail time - which lawyers tend to want to avoid...)
 

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Trump is trolling hard now with these nutty interviews and whackadoodle "looks at me" rallies.

Claiming he can declassify documents by some kind of Jedi thing. Thinking it in his mind. And people eat up this dopy act.

Trump blathering about the Hillary emails because Hannity brought her name up first. Hannity referencing the investigation into how she handled government emails, and talked about how the situation was different because Trump was president, and had the "powers and immunities" of that position. And Hillary wasn’t. It's now firmly planted in his head.

By putting that idea in Trump’s mind, Trump spins off of it, speculating that the FBI was looking for the missing emails. Being the sociopath that he is, he’ll mentally grasp onto what he hears like a drowning man grabbing a life preserver. He talks about the FBI looking for the emails, because Hannity put that thought in his head and Trump’s verbal diarrhea took over. Listening to this grifter spout off in public for 7 years is getting old and tiring. Wake up Republicans. Tell this guy to get lost.

Trump flunky: This is just a storage issue! Trump had already declassified everything!

Judge: Really? He declassified documents containing nuclear capabilities of a foreign nation?

When you are basically the Supreme Ruler of all you survey, you only need to decide that something is declassified (or classified) for it to become so. Trump still doesn’t understand that when you get elected President you don’t become the Supreme Ruler of the USA, and when you become a former President, you are still technically a US Government Employee.
 
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rommelrommel

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Here's a little quip in regard to Trump's ability to declassify documents by just thinking about it.

"Attorney and former FBI Agent Asha Rangappa joked, "he’s actually invoking the Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense." "
From that thread:

"He failed with his "Intelligence Document Is Owned (by) Trump" (I.D.I.O.T.) defense and had to upgrade to yours. "
 

woolfe9998

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A complete smackdown by the appellate court in just one day. Unanimous decision. This woman can't remain on the bench without being disciplined. They ruled she "abused her discretion". In other words, we caught you favoring Trump at the detriment of the country and the rule of law.
“Trump’s worst day ever”: Appeals court says Mar-a-Lago judge “abused” discretion by backing Trump | Salon.com
Abuse of discretion is legal jargon, particularly as pertaining to appeals. "Abuse of discretion" is actually the highest standard of appellate review. Certain types of rulings are considered "discretionary" to the trial court, meaning you have to make an especially good showing that it was a bad decision before the appeals court will reverse. So yes, it's saying something negative when they rule it as "abuse of discretion" but it isn't super uncommon for judges to be reversed on that ground and unfortunately it won't get her thrown off the bench.
 

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Abuse of discretion is legal jargon, particularly as pertaining to appeals. "Abuse of discretion" is actually the highest standard of appellate review. Certain types of rulings are considered "discretionary" to the trial court, meaning you have to make an especially good showing that it was a bad decision before the appeals court will reverse. So yes, it's saying something negative when they rule it as "abuse of discretion" but it isn't super uncommon for judges to be reversed on that ground and unfortunately it won't get her thrown off the bench.
Agreed, although, having found a fatal flaw with abuse of discretion on step 1 and stating that is sufficient to grant the stay, continuing on for another 10 pages dissecting how every subsequent step by Cannon was also wrong "for the sake of completeness" is a wee bit unusual. That is, not particularly unusual to complete analysis of all factors even when 1st step failure is fatal and undisputed, but rather unusual to reverse on every single step of a 4 step test, as well as reversing every single element of Cannon's ruling on balance of interests.
 

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Agreed, although, having found a fatal flaw with abuse of discretion on step 1 and stating that is sufficient to grant the stay, continuing on for another 10 pages dissecting how every subsequent step by Cannon was also wrong "for the sake of completeness" is a wee bit unusual. That is, not particularly unusual to complete analysis of all factors even when 1st step failure is fatal and undisputed, but rather unusual to reverse on every single step of a 4 step test, as well as reversing every single element of Cannon's ruling on balance of interests.
Yes, but that is standard legal writing. They are making an unassailable record in case any other court, like USSC, visits this ruling. If another court decides that they were incorrect that the first Richey factor was "indispensable," then they have described several other reasons the district court erred. Rarely does a court ever say, there are 5 reasons to grant (or deny) this appeal or this motion, but we're only going to discuss one of them. All legal writing, including briefs written by attorneys, tends to err on the side of "completeness."

I agree the opinion is pretty scathing, and demolishes Cannon's bad reasons for her decision. But it takes a lot more than that to get a judge thrown off the bench.
 

sportage

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Trump is trolling hard now with these nutty interviews and whackadoodle "looks at me" rallies.
Yeah but notice the only ones listening and now attending Trump rallies are the Q's. Donald Trump's life has come down to the Q's, whereas all the other Trumpies will soon or already have dumped Donald Trump completely. Trump can only get Q people to his rallies at this point.

Q people will clap and applaud at his rantings.
Q people will cheer for him no matter what comes out of his mouth.
Q people will wear those red hats, Q people will carry Trump flags.
Yes.... you can depend on a Q whenever you need a Q, as Donald is now learning. And when all you have left are the Q's to depend on, you're Qscrewed.
 

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