Trump lawyer floated idea of presidential pardons for Manafort and Flynn

[Amused]

Of course all deny it... as it leads directly to even more obstruction of justice issues...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/politics/dowd-flynn-manafort-pardons/index.html


President Donald Trump's lawyer, John Dowd, floated the possibility last year with lawyers for former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that the President might issue pardons for both men, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing three individuals with knowledge of the discussions.

The conversations happened as special counsel Robert Mueller "was building cases against both men," the Times reported, which raises "questions about whether the lawyer, John Dowd, was offering pardons to influence their decisions about whether to plead guilty and cooperate in the investigation" into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

No reason that would influence what they told Mueller now would it?

 

[emperus]

This has to be bad news for Trump. If this leak came from Gates, that means he told Mueller, that means the case for Trump's obstruction charge is that much stronger.

 

[Moonbeam]

According to Eugene Robinson, President Schumer is toast even without the Russia of Stormy things because he funded Planned Parenthood and got pretty much zip for the wall. It's just rotten how life can be so unfair.

 

[dank69]

According to Eugene Robinson, President Schumer is toast even without the Russia of Stormy things because he funded Planned Parenthood and got pretty much zip for the wall. It's just rotten how life can be so unfair.

Yup the RINO totally backstabbed his Nazi friends. Time to elect President Arpaio so we can finally deport Obozo.

 

[Sunburn74]

On some level wouldn't it be legal malpractice to at least discuss the idea? What good and competent lawyer wouldn't bring it up if it really was a get out of jail free card?

 

[Moonbeam]

Yup the RINO totally backstabbed his Nazi friends. Time to elect President Arpaio so we can finally deport Obozo.

The real fun will start when we find out how many of his kids he's paid to have aborted.

 

[HomerJS]

The real fun will start when we find out how many of his kids he's paid to have aborted.

Evangelicals heads will explode. That may be the one where they head for the hills

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Of course all deny it... as it leads directly to even more obstruction of justice issues...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/politics/dowd-flynn-manafort-pardons/index.html


President Donald Trump's lawyer, John Dowd, floated the possibility last year with lawyers for former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that the President might issue pardons for both men, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing three individuals with knowledge of the discussions.

The conversations happened as special counsel Robert Mueller "was building cases against both men," the Times reported, which raises "questions about whether the lawyer, John Dowd, was offering pardons to influence their decisions about whether to plead guilty and cooperate in the investigation" into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Bill Clinton was one of the worst for issuing pardons recklessly as he departed office. Silly Billy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bill Clinton was one of the worst for issuing pardons recklessly as he departed office. Silly Billy.

Isn't that not only just an opinion you believe to be true because you believe it and additionally irrelevant to what this thread is about? How about we just say it's a fact that Trump is a Russian agent.

 

[pcgeek11]

Trumps Lawyer |= Trump

 

[TheVrolok]

Evangelicals heads will explode. That may be the one where they head for the hills

Nah, they won't. Evangelicals don't care how Trump lives because he's willing to appoint a judiciary that will support "Christian values." They're really disgusting, as a voting block.

 

[skull]

Trumps Lawyer |= Trump

We know all lawyers do things completely on there own with no input from their client, like give out 130k of their own money to quiet someone up.

 

[outriding]

Bill Clinton was one of the worst for issuing pardons recklessly as he departed office. Silly Billy.

Nixon = 929
Clinton = 459

so wrong again

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[emperus]

On some level wouldn't it be legal malpractice to at least discuss the idea? What good and competent lawyer wouldn't bring it up if it really was a get out of jail free card?

Actually, no good lawyer would bring up. It's most likely illegal; obstruction of Justice. And that illegality could pierce the attorney client privilege and put the attorney in a world of trouble as he has to now answer questions about it. Some attorneys would just intimate it without saying it, as you would assume everyone understands the president has that power.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Bill Clinton was one of the worst for issuing pardons recklessly as he departed office. Silly Billy.

LooooL, he did it at the end, it's one year in to birther-in-chief, and I'm sure he wore his hat backwards and some saggy pants while he did it.

 

[Paratus]

Actually, no good lawyer would bring up. It's most likely illegal; obstruction of Justice. And that illegality could pierce the attorney client privilege and put the attorney in a world of trouble as he has to now answer questions about it. Some attorneys would just intimate it without saying it, as you would assume everyone understands the president has that power.

Speaking of attorneys and no good lawyer, here’s an interesting article about how it’s become very difficult for the President to find decent representation on the criminal law side, (read Mueller investigation) of things.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...gal-team-are-no-match-for-robert-mueller.html

Mueller has 17 attorneys specializing in criminal law while the President currently has 0. Does that concern any of our conservative friends here, that he’s lacking representation?

Anyone want to toss out why he’s having trouble finding good representation?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Speaking of attorneys and no good lawyer, here’s an interesting article about how it’s become very difficult for the President to find decent representation on the criminal law side, (read Mueller investigation) of things.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...gal-team-are-no-match-for-robert-mueller.html

Mueller has 17 attorneys specializing in criminal law while the President currently has 0. Does that concern any of our conservative friends here, that he’s lacking representation?

Anyone want to toss out why he’s having trouble finding good representation?

law firms would normally slobber all over themselves to represent a President. And yet we are at the point that Trump better call Saul.

 

[ky54]

Dowd insisted Wednesday that he did not raise the idea of pardons with lawyers representing the two men.

"I had no such discussions with them," Dowd said in a phone interview. "We never talked about pardons. There was no reason to talk about pardons. No, ma'am."

WaPo

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The Quickening is coming

 

[Moonbeam]

This all took place just before Trump pardoned Sheriff Arpaio. Hint hint, wink wink.

 

[dank69]

Dowd insisted Wednesday that he did not raise the idea of pardons with lawyers representing the two men.

"I had no such discussions with them," Dowd said in a phone interview. "We never talked about pardons. There was no reason to talk about pardons. No, ma'am."

WaPo

Well, I feel better now.

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, I feel better now.

Yes, it's the same warm fuzzy feeling I got when the Republicans on the house intellegence committee completely accepted the answers of their witnesses with no challenge to their veracity or any subpoenas to check on whether they were actually telling the truth.

 

[interchange]

Well I'll have to let the attorneys with actual experience say how unusual or concerning this would be. It seems kind of "meh" to me and easy enough to deny anyway. Where is the line between floating an idea and discussing the implications of a potential action that had already been floated as an idea? I mean, the media and just about everyone immediately considered the role of presidential pardons when this investigation started. Trump has been recorded in an interview saying "we'll have to see" when asked about pardoning Manafort/Gates. Being unprepared for such a possibility would be bad.