Trump just threatened to override state governors if they don't reopen churches today

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kage69

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Once again we get to see those who bill themselves as "pro-life" create a problem were none should exist, for politics. Not enough division here yet I guess.

There are religilous people who get it, who understand that having to pray at home doesn't rob them of their faith, that it keeps them and their neighbor safer. But there's also a sizeable, very political crowd of churchgoers whose vanity requires their faith to be witnessed and affirmed by others. Regularly, according to schedule please. These people escalating the still surging numbers of pandemic victims isn't the outrage, people disagreeing with it and siding with science is!

When "pro-lifers" proclaim to be "pro-life," they're talking about their lives. How dare people want to interfere with their lives by not wanting to lose family members. The fucking nerve.
 

VRAMdemon

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He likes to pretend he has all the power any time he wants it. He knows a lot of his base likes that. He plays to them when he does stuff like this. This is no different from around 6 weeks ago when he said the governors would go along with what he said because he has the last word. Next day he was saying it was the governors who would make the decisions, because everybody told him he was full of shit. Something like that will happen now. But he has his moment again... lots of people will think he's the one on their side. It's a pathetic situation.

Yeah this....Chest-thumping pleases the base. He's throwing them red meat. The base never stops to wonder if their wonderful big bully actually has the power to do what he brags he'll do. People of the land. No matter how much the faithful love God and how fervently they pray. Trump will not protect them from infection.

Once they do open, whenever that may be, he'll jump in and claim credit.

Hell, he might even attend a service. And, naturally, give a reading from Two Corinthians....
 

HomerJS

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So they can do anything or everything as long as it's couched in the terms of "protecting people". Strip any Constitutional Right, silence all critics, jail objectors, financially ruin any business and make you smile while they do it?

Sorry, i'm not going to agree with your surrender. I'm still of an age where we question authority and dare to disagree.
Hey Skippy, you still preach being against government ordered shutdowns yet you fail to answer my question about curfews.

That yellow streak down your back is getting brighter.
 
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eelw

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There are religilous people who get it, who understand that having to pray at home doesn't rob them of their faith, that it keeps them and their neighbor safer. But there's also a sizeable, very political crowd of churchgoers whose vanity requires their faith to be witnessed and affirmed by others. Regularly, according to schedule please.
Ah was wondering the logic behind this. Like why risk lives of any seniors in their family.
 

Moonbeam

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Hey Skippy, you still preach being against government ordered shutdowns yet you fail to answer my question about curfews.

That yellow streak down your back is getting brighter.
Perhaps we could acknowledge that protecting freedoms in a situation, say, where a dictatorship that is stirring a revolution and orders the people to stay home might be a situation where that order should properly be resisted.
 

UNCjigga

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This is actually a smart move by trump. He doesn't give a crap about people having access to religious gatherings but this will get support past his base. His whole game plan is wedge driving and there are a lot of religious people.

Internal polling showed support slipping amongst evangelicals, hence why the meaningless order to “open to churches” was issued.
 

UNCjigga

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This is actually a smart move by trump. He doesn't give a crap about people having access to religious gatherings but this will get support past his base. His whole game plan is wedge driving and there are a lot of religious people.

Internal polling showed support slipping amongst evangelicals, hence why the meaningless order to “open to churches” was issued.
 

UNCjigga

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Also, revisionist history shows Bin Laden was a fucking genius. Who knew that 9/11 would be so instrumental in firming up the foundation for radical fundamentalism in America. Trump isn’t just Putin’s puppet—he’s Bin Laden’s protege.
 

Muse

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I asked someone on FB where a President gets the authority to "override" a Governor his answer was

God

We are surely doomed.
He did literally in front of a microphone and video camera call himself "the chosen one." I seen it.
 
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esquared

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Church in Germany, but the orange menace won't pay attention.
 

Muse

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Church in Germany, but the orange menace won't pay attention.
We've had some "super spreader" events here in the USA. All it takes is one or two shedders in an enclosed space with people for a long enough time without a lot of ventilation. We all know it could be anyone, they may never even become symptomatic, but some of the people they infect will!
 

esquared

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We've had some "super spreader" events here in the USA. All it takes is one or two shedders in an enclosed space with people for a long enough time without a lot of ventilation. We all know it could be anyone, they may never even become symptomatic, but some of the people they infect will!
Big one in South Korea

2500 linked to a French church
 

ivwshane

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I’m just curious, has anyone seen any posts by taj complaining about the trump admin declaring emergencies to:

Sell weapons to the Saudis without the normal congressional oversight?

Enact trade restrictions against Canada?

Implement bans against religious groups?

To get billions of dollars for the southern border wall, that congress did not authorize?


Fuck hypocrites and pussy ass traitors.
 

duragezic

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We've had some "super spreader" events here in the USA. All it takes is one or two shedders in an enclosed space with people for a long enough time without a lot of ventilation. We all know it could be anyone, they may never even become symptomatic, but some of the people they infect will!
That could be happening all over. Every time I go to the grocery store. At least as far as I've seen here it has not, but of course the risk is there.
 

duragezic

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what street do you live on? I'm going to drive up and down it randomly shooting my gun in every direction. My choice right? You can't tell me I can't do it. I'm sorry if it may hurt you or somebody you love, but that's just the price you're going to have to pay for my freedom.
That's a bit different. As people go out every day for whatever reason they could transmit the coronavirus to someone. Comparing that to gunning down someone is not at all the same thing.
 

alien42

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That could be happening all over. Every time I go to the grocery store. At least as far as I've seen here it has not, but of course the risk is there.

the grocery store is not somewhere you go for a long period of time and there isn't a lot of vocalization, unlike a sports game, church, concert, gym or a restaurant. the biggest problem a grocery store has is keeping their employees as safe as possible. of course if everyone in the store wears a mask/face covering the risk drops even more.

our federal government should be running nationwide "wear a mask" campaigns and promoting the importance, instead our leader refuses to be seen wearing one.


That's a bit different. As people go out every day for whatever reason they could transmit the coronavirus to someone. Comparing that to gunning down someone is not at all the same thing.

which is exactly why everyone should be wearing a mask.
 
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duragezic

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the grocery store is not somewhere you go for a long period of time and there isn't a lot of vocalization, unlike a sports game, church, concert, gym or a restaurant. the biggest problem a grocery store has is keeping their employees as safe as possible. of course if everyone in the store wears a mask/face covering the risk drops even more.

our federal government should be running nationwide "wear a mask" campaigns and promoting the importance, instead our leader refuses to be seen wearing one.




which is exactly why everyone should be wearing a mask.
Yeah I agree that is a good thing to do. Most people I've seen out is wearing a mask. Everyone's experience is different but I've mostly seen people doing that. At this point I don't really care about what the federal government says, I'm just doing what I think is right.
 
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alien42

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Yeah I agree that is a good thing to do. Most people I've seen out is wearing a mask. Everyone's experience is different but I've mostly seen people doing that. At this point I don't really care about what the federal government says, I'm just doing what I think is right.

i wear a mask for the same reason, because it's the right thing to do for all of us. while you may not care, plenty of people do, consciously or not. it costs absolutely nothing to set the example and promote from the very top, do you disagree?
 
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i wear a mask for the same reason, because it's the right thing to do for all of us. while you may not care, plenty of people do, consciously or not. it costs absolutely nothing to set the example and promote from the very top, do you disagree?
Actually I'm kinda of with you. I have worn one as I have went out and most people I've seen has done similar. I know that is not some scientific study but just my general observations.
 

sportage

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There are a lot of upcoming possibilities with controlling / curing the Coronavirus, but calling on god to do the job isn't an likely option. After all, Donald Trump was the reason god brought forth unto the world Covid 19 in the first place. If we want to get rid of Covid 19 then we need to pray to god to get rid of Donald Trump, then.... ridding the world of the virus will take care of itself. Face it, if Donald Trump actually realized people wanted to risk going back into the church only to pray away Donald Trump, then Trump would be against any church reopening at all. The little fu...ker thinks he is more powerful than god and can order god and the churches around. As if the church only existed as a way for the people to worship and praise Donald Trump. Yes, and they all said to Trump.... WHAT AN ASS HOLE.
 
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That could be happening all over. Every time I go to the grocery store. At least as far as I've seen here it has not, but of course the risk is there.
The grocery store is far from a super spreader petri. They tend to be big, have some ventilation, the density of people isn't great and you aren't in them for long. You could catch it there, but they are very unlikely to spawn super spreader events.

Oh, and like Alien42 said, not much vocalization in a grocery store. Beware of choir practice! ;)
 
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Fenixgoon

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The grocery store is far from a super spreader petri. They tend to be big, have some ventilation, the density of people isn't great and you aren't in them for long. You could catch it there, but they are very unlikely to spawn super spreader events.

Oh, and like Alien42 said, not much vocalization in a grocery store. Beware of choir practice! ;)

No joke - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm
 
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thilanliyan

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Then you make your own choices, don't force your choice on other people. What law is it again that gives local governments the power to strip Rights away from the people?
So when some of these people who decide to congregate get the virus, can the hospital refuse to take them in? It wasn't the doctor's/nurse's choice that these people decided to ignore the advice and congregate? Why should they be forced to take care of them?

"don't force your choice on other people" right? Well they for sure are forcing they're choice to congregate on front line hospital staff.