Trump just threatened to override state governors if they don't reopen churches today

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Wreckem

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At this point in the pandemic Covid is ravaging TrumpLandia. More liberal areas are doing well now while conservative areas are on fire. I say if they want to go to church let them go to church. Yes they will be spreading it to others, but mostly to their fellow conservatives. Aalmost all the places that are insisting church’s be reopened they are mostly Trump supporters. Let Trump kill off his base. As they say elections have consequences. You elect an idiot and continue to support him. You get what’s coming to you.
 

Thump553

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Apparently the trigger was a recent and rather dramatic slippage for The Donald among religious "conservatives" :


BTW I was wondering-does anyone recall a picture or news article about The Donald attending a place of worship to attend religious services? (Funerals, fund raisers, political rallies don't count). He doesn't impress me as someone who has even a scintilla of religious belief.
 

zinfamous

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Looks like it's making the submissives upset.

Tell me again what law is it that local governments are using to stop the Right of the people to freely assemble and to attend religious services?

no one has a right to die because you are a fucking idiot and wish their death. This is not a right that you posess.

fuck off, ignorant troll.
 

zinfamous

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I have an at risk wife and I don't want to be the reason she gets it. Takes a bigger man to look past ones self and make the sacrifices necessary to protect others. That's what a real man does. Don't give me the macho Man bullshit. I spent two years in a Texas prison and I wasn't reading books and singing kumbaya during my stint. I don't have shit to prove to anyone.

you make the mistake of confusing taj for a man.

He's just a little bitch child that will only ever do what massa Trump tells him to do.
 

zinfamous

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Federal law and the rulings of the USSC always take precedence.

lol. look at the little "state's rights" bitch go all swinging at full federal gestapo power whenever he thinks it suits him.

Imagine if the black man were acting like Trump right now. Just imagine!

You couldn't rush out the door fast enough, grenades in hand, if that were the case.

I still don't know what branch of the military this USSC is.
 
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The government has a right to protect it's people. And has demonstrated as much over the last few months. Just keep doing what you're doing. When you end up being the cause of your parents, relatives, co workers death you should and will have to live with that. You probably don't care though at the moment but you will.
So they can do anything or everything as long as it's couched in the terms of "protecting people". Strip any Constitutional Right, silence all critics, jail objectors, financially ruin any business and make you smile while they do it?

Sorry, i'm not going to agree with your surrender. I'm still of an age where we question authority and dare to disagree.
 

Commodus

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So they can do anything or everything as long as it's couched in the terms of "protecting people". Strip any Constitutional Right, silence all critics, jail objectors, financially ruin any business and make you smile while they do it?

Sorry, i'm not going to agree with your surrender. I'm still of an age where we question authority and dare to disagree.

It's highly ironic that the Trump slave tells us he's the sort to "question authority."

This is a pandemic. The government doesn't have carte blanche to do absolutely everything, but the only way to keep a virus like this from overwhelming hospitals is to lock things down, and that means everyone has to participate. Your desire for freedom doesn't override my desire to stay alive.

Besides, if I recall correctly, aren't you in an older age demographic that's at a considerably higher risk of dying from COVID-19? Why would you bang the gong for ending lockdown measures prematurely when there's a real chance you won't survive if that happens?
 

sportage

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YEAH.... this whole church thing is to appease Trump's religious base. If you know Trumpies like I know Trumpies, all that the Trumpies are now posting about on social media is to attack democratic governors over this church thing. The Trumpies got the memo, apparently, and this church thing is all they now post about. What I wonder is.... when these idiots return to their packed churches and then come down with the virus, will the idiots class-action-lawsuit Donald Trump? They should. They all should. Every American should be suing Donald Trump along with every republican governor for directly causing deaths and infections. And, for having put everyone at risk. Donald Trump LOVES TO SUE, so it's high time that Donald Trump got sued.
 

Jhhnn

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At this point in the pandemic Covid is ravaging TrumpLandia. More liberal areas are doing well now while conservative areas are on fire. I say if they want to go to church let them go to church. Yes they will be spreading it to others, but mostly to their fellow conservatives. Aalmost all the places that are insisting church’s be reopened they are mostly Trump supporters. Let Trump kill off his base. As they say elections have consequences. You elect an idiot and continue to support him. You get what’s coming to you.

No. Just No. The world isn't that simple. Not like that, anyway. Life & commerce link us all together in this country. The virus will not confine itself to Trumplandia. Kee-rist. Trumplandia is a state of mind, not a geographic location.
 

Moonbeam

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Then you make your own choices, don't force your choice on other people. What law is it again that gives local governments the power to strip Rights away from the people?
You simply imagine you have rights that you actually don't have because you belong to a cult of people who have been brainwashed to believe whatever serves your masters, the one percent. You can teach a donkey to bray on command or a parrot to recite poetry. But it's sad because you have been taught to live a life in which you constantly feel that others are out to make your live miserable. But it is you and your beliefs that are doing that. The freedoms you fear others will take from you were taken from you long ago. The only thing that can ahppen to you now in the way of change is called recovery of your sanity. You are a good person. Don't wait to get started on that. That you wake up is all I really would want from you.

Like you, I believe that freedom should be protected, but I am free locked down and you're not free even when you imagine you are.

You are like people who march around in public wearing their arms for all to see because they are imprisoned by the fear they will be taken away.
 

JEDIYoda

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I found this article interesting....
The President said today that he will "override the governors" and force states to allow churches to open. Churches should not be opened (or closed) by order of a president, but because it is safe to do so. To open churches before it is safe would needlessly put more lives at risk. And that would be the opposite of pro-life. Governors and religious leaders should follow the advice of public health experts and epidemiologists to help prevent the spread of infection and preserve life. Everyone wants to go back to church, including me, but not at the risk of increased infection and death, especially among the most vulnerable.
Churches are indeed essential for Christians, and the desire to worship together is a holy desire. But holy though your desire may be, it's not just about you and your desire. It's about protecting the other person, especially if you are, like many people, asymptomatic. Wearing masks, maintaining social distance and even not gathering in churches protects the other person.
There have already been confirmed cases in Texas and Minnesota where Catholic churches have opened and the priests were found to have been unknowingly infected. Coming into contact with their parishioners, and exposing them to infection, may end up causing deaths, especially among the most vulnerable--the elderly, who often make up the majority of churchgoers.
I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. If you have the measles and a doctor says, "Don't go to church because you might infect a woman who is pregnant," you don't rail at your doctor for "impinging on your freedom." You listen to the doctor, make the sacrifice, and stay home, as a way of protecting the other person.
All these preventive actions are ways of caring of the other person--that is, ways of loving.
 
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zzyzxroad

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This is actually a smart move by trump. He doesn't give a crap about people having access to religious gatherings but this will get support past his base. His whole game plan is wedge driving and there are a lot of religious people.
 
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Vic

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It's highly ironic that the Trump slave tells us he's the sort to "question authority."

This is a pandemic. The government doesn't have carte blanche to do absolutely everything, but the only way to keep a virus like this from overwhelming hospitals is to lock things down, and that means everyone has to participate. Your desire for freedom doesn't override my desire to stay alive.

Besides, if I recall correctly, aren't you in an older age demographic that's at a considerably higher risk of dying from COVID-19? Why would you bang the gong for ending lockdown measures prematurely when there's a real chance you won't survive if that happens?

Because he's not questioning authority, he's blindly doing his authority's bidding. Who motivates him to do so by dangling tantalizing opportunities to exercise his freedoms at the expense of others' rights.

That said, I think the Dems are making a mistake here. The time has come to re-open those institutions that choose to and see what happens. Yes, people will die. That sucks. But we have to come out of quarantine eventually, and the best way I can possibly think of to measure that risk is to let the idiots and assholes go first.
 

ultimatebob

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There is a church in my area who's doing drive-in church services where you listen to the sermon on the radio in your car in a big mall parking lot, and then honk for an amen. Craziest thing I've seen in awhile, but it meets the social distancing guidelines.

I'd imagine that even the control freaks like the Governor of Michigan wouldn't have a problem with that kind of church service.
 

Jhhnn

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This is actually a smart move by trump. He doesn't give a crap about people having access to religious gatherings but this will get support past his base. His whole game plan is wedge driving and there are a lot of religious people.

Hardly. It's a desperate ploy to regain support he's already lost among Christian Conservatives-


There's plenty of time between now & the election for it to get all too real & too personal.
 
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NWRMidnight

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So they can do anything or everything as long as it's couched in the terms of "protecting people". Strip any Constitutional Right, silence all critics, jail objectors, financially ruin any business and make you smile while they do it?

Sorry, i'm not going to agree with your surrender. I'm still of an age where we question authority and dare to disagree.
Considering your argument has already been ruled against by the SCOTUS back in 1905 (Jacobson vs. Massachusetts), you are doing nothing but Trolling. You are welcome to come and try to argue the point again after that ruling is over turned. Until then, you are just demonstrating how big of a trolling idiot you really are.
 

JEDIYoda

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So they can do anything or everything as long as it's couched in the terms of "protecting people". Strip any Constitutional Right, silence all critics, jail objectors, financially ruin any business and make you smile while they do it?

Sorry, i'm not going to agree with your surrender. I'm still of an age where we question authority and dare to disagree.
No!! You are still of an age where you need to grow up and understand that not all authority is bad or needs to be questioned!
 

Muse

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He likes to pretend he has all the power any time he wants it. He knows a lot of his base likes that. He plays to them when he does stuff like this. This is no different from around 6 weeks ago when he said the governors would go along with what he said because he has the last word. Next day he was saying it was the governors who would make the decisions, because everybody told him he was full of shit. Something like that will happen now. But he has his moment again... lots of people will think he's the one on their side. It's a pathetic situation.
 

zinfamous

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So they can do anything or everything as long as it's couched in the terms of "protecting people". Strip any Constitutional Right, silence all critics, jail objectors, financially ruin any business and make you smile while they do it?

Sorry, i'm not going to agree with your surrender. I'm still of an age where we question authority and dare to disagree.

the need is obvious and plainly explained to you.

this isn't "just anything."

stop being a useless fucking toddler. Holy shit--it really is unfathomable what utter garbage today's bitch-ass conservatives have proven to be, again and again.
 

zinfamous

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It's highly ironic that the Trump slave tells us he's the sort to "question authority."

This is a pandemic. The government doesn't have carte blanche to do absolutely everything, but the only way to keep a virus like this from overwhelming hospitals is to lock things down, and that means everyone has to participate. Your desire for freedom doesn't override my desire to stay alive.

Besides, if I recall correctly, aren't you in an older age demographic that's at a considerably higher risk of dying from COVID-19? Why would you bang the gong for ending lockdown measures prematurely when there's a real chance you won't survive if that happens?

let him die. he would be proud to.

like anyone would fucking care.
 

eelw

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Talk about the stupid not having the freedom to infect others. The same can be said to everyone feeding the troll. Just be like some of us and add taj and pie to the ignore list