Trump increasing the National Debt is a scorched-earth tactic for when the Dems win in 2020

JEDI

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https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

"The World Bank compares countries based on their total debt-to-gross domestic product ratio. It considers a country to be in trouble if that ratio is greater than 77 percent.
The U.S. ratio is 104 percent.:eek:
That's the $21.516 trillion U.S. debt as of September 28, 2018, divided by the $20.658 trillion nominal GDP.

...falling interest rates meant America's debt could increase, but interest payments remained stable at around $266 billion.
But that changed in late 2016. Interest rates began rising as the economy improved. As a result, interest on the nation's debt will double in four years.

On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. (That puts the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio at 108 percent.)
In just two years, Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president."


interest rates are low because the Fed Rate is low.
when the Federal Reserve raises interest rates, the US has to pay more $ just to pay the Debt's interest payments.
Last year Trump was complaining that the Fed Reserve was raising interest rates too much and it's hurting Americans.
it was really trying to save his own hide from dealing with higher interest payments.

Right now Trump is trying to load up on as much debt as possible to make himself look good.
Overspend like a drunken sailor spurs the economy and alot of people have good jobs.
And the stock market climbs because companies are making lots of profit.

when he loses in 2020, the Dems would have inherited a mess, and a ticking time bomb in the form of the National Debt and it's near runaway interest payments. :mad:

and when the US economy slows down to deal with the consequences of his overspending, i predict Mr OrangeHead will say that the US was doing great when he left office...
 
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Jhhnn

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I'll bet you guys didn't realize that the Ownership Society meant the Govt of the People would be owned by the Rich. Borrow money from the Rich to give it back to them as tax cuts & pay interest forever, because growth. Because Freedom. Because it will all trickle down. Because Y'all are so easy to bamboozle that you made them do it. They couldn't resist.
 

senseamp

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This country is going down the tubes if the Republican party survives too much longer. It's one or the other.
 

Moonbeam

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This will end if debt created by the majority party requires the sacrifice of it's majority giving the minority a chance to cancel that debt. This will clearly establish which party is worried about debt.
 

Indus

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I want the Dems to kick out the blue states out of the union, and leave the gop'ers with the crazy theories, crazy people, crazy nationalism, crazy debt and the all crazy shit.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I want the Dems to kick out the blue states out of the union, and leave the gop'ers with the crazy theories, crazy people, crazy nationalism, crazy debt and the all crazy shit.
I wanted to include your quote, even as I started a simple comment without one.

More and more, the GOP has become the party of Lies. It even began to seem so looking back at the Clinton years. Do we want to discuss Iran-Contra? I'll need to think about it.

But they count on the fact that the general public and possibly a lot more of their Base don't consider lagged causation with economic variables. There's this myopia favoring short-term circumstances and interpretation. So it's obvious for a party of deception to behave this irresponsibly.

I've had your thoughts about it, Indus, since before the 2016 election results came in, but more so from the point of the 2017 inauguration onward. Then, we could build a wall -- and embargo the reds. Of course, too many of those states swing one way, then the other. Except for Texas, the deep red states would be third-world economies without blue state contributions to GDP, and the subsidies they receive in federal dollars spent versus federal tax payments. The denial of that has always been a symptom of "crazy" as I saw it.

It's obvious to anyone who wants to read up on it that Trump is both unhinged and psychologically disordered. It's not just pop-psychology, or some political smear tactic. So I have to suspect that some portion of the Base have some wires crossed of their own.

Someone wants to assert that we wouldn't be in this crazy mess if we'd just elected a so-called "white" person -- and a male -- instead of Obama, I'll look for every chance to make your plastic surgeon cry. I swear I will! Stand still, ya racist cowards! Here come da pain!
 

dank69

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Gee it is almost like America didn't learn its lesson with Reagan and Dubya.
 

Ken g6

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Democrats are the party of tax and spend. Republicans are the party of don't tax and spend. Can we get a party of tax and don't spend?
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Why would we tax if not to spend to see to the general welfare of the People?
. . . according to the Health and Welfare clause. . . .

Colin Powell -- a "Republican" -- said it best. If Americans want this or that in public goods provided publicly, they should have it.

Everybody or too many in that more rigid conservative mindset seem to think, as individuals, that they can have a smorgasbord of what they want, without paying a share of a collective steam-table. So now the chuckleheads want to completely upend institutions that took a century to construct, refusing to admit to the wisdom of succeeding congresses and officials, and the blood, sweat and tears of generations it took to create those institutions.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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So basically par for the course. GOP fucks the country up, Dems try to fix it.

That's why the GOP fanboys always claim the effects of a president's policies don't become apparent until the next one has been in office a while. Because that way they can claim that the beneficial effects of a Democrat were caused by the previous GOP president. And if a GOP president gets reelected it suddenly can last 8 years before the effects become apparent, just as effects of the previous president can suddenly last much longer if a Democrat gets reelected.
 

tweaker2

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Bottom line, Trump's supporters either don't give a shit or do not have the mental capacity to realize how they're being screwed over by the very folks who promised them how they were going to be showered with trickle down wealth (that never came) if they only keep giving tax cuts/breaks to the wealthy and mega corps while cutting off their own access to affordable health care, Social Security benefits, Medicare, pensions, etc etc.

Seems so surreal yet it's all happening at this very moment.
 
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dawp

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I don't think trump is intelligent enough to do that and neither are his supporters.
 

SMOGZINN

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Democrats are the party of tax and spend. Republicans are the party of don't tax and spend. Can we get a party of tax and don't spend?

No, because no one is willing to vote for that. When given a choice literally no one is willing to accept paying more and getting nothing more. Even when you show them it is in their best interest they will always say that you are right, but now it not the time to do it, we always have other priorities right now, because it does not take much of a priority to be higher than solving some problem that might someday be an issue in some uncertain, but probably far off, future date.

Bottom line, Trump's supporters either don't give a shit or do not have the mental capacity to realize how they're being screwed over by the very folks who promised them how they were going to be showered with trickle down wealth (that never came) if they only keep giving tax cuts/breaks to the wealthy and mega corps while cutting off their own access to affordable health care, Social Security benefits, Medicare, pensions, etc etc.

Seems so surreal yet it's all happening at this very moment.

The problem is that they are the sort of people that are super worried that someone might be getting something they are not. They believe it is better to end all entitlements, even those that they rely on, then let someone somewhere get something that they might not.
 

HomerJS

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Democrats are the party of tax and spend. Republicans are the party of don't tax and spend. Can we get a party of tax and don't spend?
Seems spending that results in an economic multiplier is money well spent.
 

JTsyo

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I want the Dems to kick out the blue states out of the union, and leave the gop'ers with the crazy theories, crazy people, crazy nationalism, crazy debt and the all crazy shit.
How about all the blue cities in red states? It's not as clear cut as red and blue states.
 

SMOGZINN

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How about all the blue cities in red states? It's not as clear cut as red and blue states.

I was wanting to say something similar, but was not sure how to put it. I live in Texas, one of the reddest of the red states, but Austin, our capital, is so blue that it is nearly violet. Californians move there when they want to live somewhere more liberal.
Houston is the 4th largest city in the US, and has elected a Democrat as mayor in the last 17 elections (every mayor since 1982). They elected an openly gay woman as mayor twice.
Dallas is only a little less blue, with 4 of the last 5 mayors being Democrats.
 

Zorba

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Then the public blames the Dems because fixing the mess slows the economy and votes the GOP back into power, the GOP points us towards the cliff and hits the gas. Rinse and repeat.
No one likes when the adults break up the party.
 
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fskimospy

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It will be fun to watch Republicans turn into deficit hawks lamenting the burden we are placing on our children with this debt shortly after noon on January 20th, 2021.
 
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