Trump endorses white nationist false conspiracy theory about South Africa.

HomerJS

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So the two times Trump talked about Africa he referred to a non-existent countries healthcare called "Nambia"
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/21/africa/trump-nambia-un-africa-trnd/index.html

Next we all remember the infamous "shithole" African countries uttered in the Oval Office.

Now we have Trump show an unusual amount of concern for an African country. Sound out of character for him but wait. It's the majority white South Africa and he is spreading the white supremacist conspiracy theory of mass killings of white farmers. Wonder who he is talking to here?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785

President Trump’s promotion of a white-nationalist conspiracy theory involving South Africa prompted fierce backlash there Thursday and fresh criticism in the United States that he is compromising American foreign policy to stoke his far-right political base.

White-nationalist groups have for years spread false claims about the murder rates, assertions that have been widely debunked. Local police data shows the number of people murdered on farms has dropped by half over the past two decades — from 140 in 2001-2002 to 74 in 2016-2017, according to the Associated Press.

White nationalists in the United States and South Africa, where a fringe group called Afriforum has advanced the conspiracy theory, hailed the president’s remarks. David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, thanked Trump on Twitter and tweeted an image of a white woman holding a sign reading “Stop white genocide.” Mike Peinovich, a far-right podcast host, called Trump’s endorsement “very big” and said that “this is how we slowly chip away at the all-consuming anti-white discourse.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cd833db20468
 

Vic

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Trump didn't gaffe when he tweeted the white supremacist bullshit about "white genocide" in SA. That's not like accidentally saying 57 states when you meant 47.
 

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Taj just doesn't want to talk about Trump's indefensible fear mongering lie about "large scale killing of (white) farmers" in S Africa. He doesn't want anybody else to talk about it, either, so he goes for the derail.
 

Vic

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I've seen differing news stories. This one from 3 days ago.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...s/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b

from 2 days back.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/south-african-government-begins-seizing-land-white-farmers/

Why wouldn't the US President have the Sec. of State look into it?
Having the Sec State looking into something is a lot different than angrily tweeting some bullshit that both David Duke and Richard Spencer thank him for tweeting. Some very fine people there.
 
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Having the Sec State looking into something is a lot different than angrily tweeting some bullshit that both David Duke and Richard Spencer thank him for tweeting. Some very fine people there.
In his tweet he said where he got the info. I don't call either one of them fine, but you do.
 

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Like having the SoS look into the non-existent "large scale killing of (white) farmers" isn't intended to inflame irrational white fears & provide ammo to white supremacists.

A person would have to be daft not to see that. You're not daft, are you, Taj?
Fear is Trump's weapon, and he wields it well. There's always something that we're supposed to be afraid of, and that only Trump can save us from. Trumpers believe we're the daft ones, exposing everyone to further danger, by not seeing how obvious that is.
 
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Another story, another point of view.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/23/south-africa-trump-tweets/

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"Supporters of the ANC plan often use the anodyne term “land reform” to describe their efforts to change South Africa’s land compensation rules.

Under the current system, which has been in place since the end of white-minority rule in 1994, the government uses a “willing-seller, willing-buyer” model. It lets authorities buy white-owned farms for redistribution to blacks, often at sub-market rates.

When the system was introduced, South African leaders hoped it would put 30 percent of the country’s private land under black ownership by 2014. But the government has fallen well short of that goal — today, black South Africans make up 79 percent of the population but own just 9 percent of the land, according to official government figures.

Following the tenure of scandal-plagued former President Jacob Zuma, Ramaphosa came to office in February pledging to root out corruption in the ANC and address South Africa’s wide racial-economic disparity. Later, he endorsed land expropriation without compensation, a plan first introduced by the Marxist Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) party, as a means to speed up the process."

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"Trump is not the first international leader to highlight the problem and describe it as large-scale — former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott claimed in February that more than 400 white farmers were murdered over the preceding 12 months.

It is true that dozens of white farmers and their family members are killed each year in South Africa, often in horrific ways. What is less clear is the extent of the problem.

Most murders in South Africa are not categorized by race, and the official tally of farm killings includes both owners and people who live on the land. As a result, research by private organizations and farm groups offers the most authoritative accounting of violence against white farmers.

AgriSA, a farmers’ organization in South Africa, published a report in June that said 47 farmers were killed in a 12-month period from 2017 to 2018. That was a 20-year low and down from 66 in the same period between 2016 and 2017.

Police statistics compiled by Africa Check, a nonprofit fact-checking website that works with the Poynter Institute, point to higher murder totals. There were 638 attacks on smallholdings and farms in the 2016-2017 period, with 74 people murdered, according to an Africa Check report published in May.

By either measure, both attacks and murders appear to be well below the totals seen in the early 2000s, when violence against farmers was rampant. There were more than 1,000 attacks against farms and smallholdings between 2001 and 2002, 140 of which were murders, according to Africa Check.
Few observers dispute that farm murders are a problem in South Africa, which has an overall murder rate of about 34 per 100,000 people, one of the highest in the world. But some farmers’ organizations and right-wing groups contend that the black majority government is not doing enough to protect white farmers, who they say are particularly vulnerable to attack.

“Farm attacks are unique and farm attacks should not be considered as normal crimes,” Ernst Roets, the deputy CEO of AfriForum, a minority rights group, said in June. “Farm attacks should be treated as priority crimes.”

In any case, the issue is politically radioactive in part because it has become a cause celebre in alt-right and white nationalist circles. Many of the groups characterize attacks on white farmers in South Africa as part of a larger “white genocide” against people of European ancestry across the world.

Following his Wednesday night tweet, Trump was accused by left-leaning activists and journalists of parroting white nationalist talking points. More charitable critics asserted he waded into the controversial debate in order to distract the media from the ongoing fallout over the special counsel investigation.

Meanwhile, Ramaphosa and the ANC appear to be moderating their position on land expropriation. In a meeting with agriculture representatives Tuesday, ANC leadership committed to preventing unregulated “land grabs” and concentrating land redistribution on “fallow land in deep rural areas,” according to AgriSA CEO Omri van Zyl."
 

HomerJS

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I guess the white supremacist stuff was a "gaffe"?

You are so cute when supporting racists.
 

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"Trump is not the first international leader to highlight the problem and describe it as large-scale — former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott claimed in February that more than 400 white farmers were murdered over the preceding 12 months.

...research by private organizations and farm groups offers the most authoritative accounting of violence against white farmers.

AgriSA, a farmers’ organization in South Africa, published a report in June that said 47 farmers were killed in a 12-month period from 2017 to 2018. That was a 20-year low and down from 66 in the same period between 2016 and 2017.

Police statistics compiled by Africa Check, a nonprofit fact-checking website that works with the Poynter Institute, point to higher murder totals. There were 638 attacks on smallholdings and farms in the 2016-2017 period, with 74 people murdered, according to an Africa Check report published in May.

So, Trump calls it "large scale killing of farmers" and a former Australian PM says over 400 murdered in last 12 months while your own sources say 47 in 2017 and 74 in 2016. And how much looking into did it take to find those figures? You got them easily enough. I see them here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks and https://qz.com/africa/1297437/farm-...vatives-warn-of-genocide-of-white-afrikaners/ just for starters as well as in your own link.

Is it an issue for the govt of south Africa to be handling? Yes, and by the way numbers have declined, it is. Is it genocide or a large scale killing of (white) farmers? Not even close and it took no time at all to see that. Sadly, what Trump's tweet did was give everyone worldwide yet another reason to laugh at the ignorance of this country's leader and add more substance to his racist image.
 

HomerJS

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Trump continues to stoke up doses of Negrophobia. Have to keep feeding that racist base
 

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Tucker Carlson is one of those very fine people. Or he just coincidentally uses his platform to give so many of those very fine people a bullhorn.
Bill Maher had a great take on Tucker last night, he said if Tucker joined Trump on a Space Force mission Tucker would say “why aren’t there any white holes?”
 

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From your article, Taj-

Following his Wednesday night tweet, Trump was accused by left-leaning activists and journalists of parroting white nationalist talking points. More charitable critics asserted he waded into the controversial debate in order to distract the media from the ongoing fallout over the special counsel investigation.

Why can't we have both?
 
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Like having the SoS look into the non-existent "large scale killing of (white) farmers" isn't intended to inflame irrational white fears & provide ammo to white supremacists.

A person would have to be daft not to see that. You're not daft, are you, Taj?
No way, that motherfucker is a Constitutional scholar who knows more about the Constitution than Merrick Garland
 
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