Trump could backdoor veto the Dec 2020 stimulus bill and it can't be overridden by Congress

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DrunkenSano

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If it means people get $2000 instead of the insulting $600 and fucking over the Republican shitbag politicians, I'm okay with the veto.
 

K1052

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If it means people get $2000 instead of the insulting $600 and fucking over the Republican shitbag politicians, I'm okay with the veto.

The continued UI support is a bigger deal for millions of people. If he doesn't sign tonight it lapses and can't be restarted for at least a week.
 

fskimospy

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It really does seem like Trump is just trying to stick it to Republicans for not sufficiently supporting his coup attempt. After all, his own treasury Secretary negotiated this deal!

Remember when @s0me0nesmind1 said it was because Trump genuinely cared about Americans and was therefore mad that the deal his own administration brokered wasn’t generous enough? That was extremely funny.
 

Jhhnn

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Maybe Trump can run a 2024 campaign from his twin towers in Turkey. :p

Maybe he'll be there to personally supervise construction of the tower in Moscow that he's always wanted. It's hard to say, but he'll have some time after Jan 6 to figure it out. I figure the SDNY won't wait long after the inauguration to put the gun to his head.
 

nickqt

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Pelosi should recall the House, vote on the $2000.00 per US Adult, no means testing, no other money, and pass it immediately.

Then let McConnell and the Senate Republicans scream and cry about helping the American people. Might have decent results in the GA Senate Runoff.

It's $8,000.00 short of what should be passed, but it's a start.
 

Wreckem

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Pelosi should recall the House, vote on the $2000.00 per US Adult, no means testing, no other money, and pass it immediately.

Then let McConnell and the Senate Republicans scream and cry about helping the American people. Might have decent results in the GA Senate Runoff.

It's $8,000.00 short of what should be passed, but it's a start.

The Dems tried to pass it by unanimous consent once already. GOP shot it down. They have a full up and down floor vote scheduled for it on Monday at which point it will pass. But the Turtle won’t take it up.
 

nickqt

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The Dems tried to pass it by unanimous consent once already. GOP shot it down. They have a full up and down floor vote scheduled for it on Monday at which point it will pass. But the Turtle won’t take it up.
Exactly.

If the Democrats are remotely serious about winning the GA Senate Runoffs, they should IMMEDIATELY hammer that in every single ad they run from now until January 6th.
 

Jhhnn

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The Dems tried to pass it by unanimous consent once already. GOP shot it down. They have a full up and down floor vote scheduled for it on Monday at which point it will pass. But the Turtle won’t take it up.

Or he'll go along to bolster GOP chances in Georgia. Well, actually, it would be out of the goodness of his heart & the joy of Christmas. Plus it's a gravy boat for his well heeled friends, anyway.
 
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K1052

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Like theoretically who could plausibly renegotiate the Omni and COVID relief on Trump’s behalf now that he’s smashed Mnuchin’s nuts in front of both caucuses? Nobody comes to mind.
 
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HomerJS

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It really does seem like Trump is just trying to stick it to Republicans for not sufficiently supporting his coup attempt. After all, his own treasury Secretary negotiated this deal!

Remember when @s0me0nesmind1 said it was because Trump genuinely cared about Americans and was therefore mad that the deal his own administration brokered wasn’t generous enough? That was extremely funny.
Haha. Did that idiot really say that shit??
 

sportage

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All we can do is bitch about it. It's not like WE THE PEOPLE have any say-so in the matter, after all who the "F" are we? Mitch thinks this is the united states of Mitch McConnell, Trump thinks this is the united states of Trump, our politicians make sure that their nests are feathered, their jobs are well protected with never a hint of a term limit, and they make sure all the perks go directly to them and only for THEM. For THEM, $100,000 in their pocket is never enough, yet for the middle class $600 is a windfall of untold wealth. It would be great to simply vote THEM out of office once and for all but the problem with that is.... the same type of bastards get voted back into office. Different faces, same bastards over and over, election after election. Maybe we should just face the fact that our system of government is completely dysfunctional and permanently hopelessly broken. You can't assume that the same bad mechanic who screwed up your car can then fix it. I think this pandemic was in its way a god send where it exposed just how incredibly damaged our system of government was, how incredibly damaged that our politicians are, and how completely incompetent the institutions have become. That should be blatantly clear by now. These guys in Washington from top to bottom who run the show are the bad mechanics that broke the system, so we actually believe they can fix it? Hey folks, guess what.... you're on you're own.
 
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Bitek

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Haha. Did that idiot really say that shit??

You THINK he did this for ATTENTION?



How low is your IQ level? He IS the fucking POTUS. He has attention 24/7. If he wants a bunch of cameras on him - he can do it at anytime anywhere for any subject.



God damn you guys really have your heads shoved far up there where you come up with this innate schizophrenia-like logic.



Is it really that crazy to believe that the president thinks the american people should receive more than a $600 peso payment along with billions upon billions going to other countries and worthless studies when people are suffering left and right? Nevermind, don't answer that. It's like talking to a children here.

Trump really cares about regular folks.... Lol
 
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conehead433

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Well I haven't read any of the 5000 pages of the bill, but I'm at least in agreement with some that there should not be a damn dime of foreign aid in this bill. And direct payment should be at least $2K probably per month for about 6 months. That instead of any kind of supplemental UI from the Fed. And I'm sure there is all kinds of pork to help out the filthy rich, because they're hurting so bad you know. Trump just picked the wrong time to actually be right about something, and yet he still has found a way to totally fuck over America. SMH
 

K1052

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Well I haven't read any of the 5000 pages of the bill, but I'm at least in agreement with some that there should not be a damn dime of foreign aid in this bill. And direct payment should be at least $2K probably per month for about 6 months. That instead of any kind of supplemental UI from the Fed. And I'm sure there is all kinds of pork to help out the filthy rich, because they're hurting so bad you know. Trump just picked the wrong time to actually be right about something, and yet he still has found a way to totally fuck over America. SMH

Fer fucks sake....

The foreign aid is in the omnibus budget because Trump requested it!

The odds of Mitch McConnell Ok-ing 2k a month for 6 months is about the same as me turning into Chris Hemsworth. But by all means demand it while millions of people run out of money, get evicted from their homes, and the government shuts down in the middle of the worst crisis since WWII.
 
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What this all screams out to me is that EACH element of bills like this need to be individual items. If this 5500 page bill had 100 elements, there should have been 100 separate bills. Let each one be addressed and signed or not.
 

Uhtrinity

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Well I haven't read any of the 5000 pages of the bill, but I'm at least in agreement with some that there should not be a damn dime of foreign aid in this bill. And direct payment should be at least $2K probably per month for about 6 months. That instead of any kind of supplemental UI from the Fed. And I'm sure there is all kinds of pork to help out the filthy rich, because they're hurting so bad you know. Trump just picked the wrong time to actually be right about something, and yet he still has found a way to totally fuck over America. SMH

An important note and one that is causing a lot of confusion, including in other posts. H.R. 133 is titled the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 which is an "omnibus". It is essentially a bill made out of other independent bills which is passed all at once.
The bill started as an annual appropriations act. This is the spending the government passes each and every year which gives government agencies like the CDC and NASA money to carry out their programs. Because the federal government will shut down without this bill, it is considered "must pass" legislation.
After trying (and failing) to pass an independent COVID relief bill for months, Congress essentially stapled a separate relief act onto the back of this omnibus bill to make it harder to block. The bill is divided into sections. Divisions A - L are normal, full-year budgets to keep the lights on at federal agencies. Division M is the relief bill.
A lot of the spending items being cited in other posts are from the much larger annual appropriations bill that was simply used as a legislative vehicle to get COVID relief passed. Items like money for Egypt, or the border wall are separate government spending - they are not part of the $900B.
The entire thing was passed by both the House and the Senate, but Grifter in Chief is letting it sit on his desk, essentially doing a pocket veto, while he plays golf.
 

K1052

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What this all screams out to me is that EACH element of bills like this need to be individual items. If this 5500 page bill had 100 elements, there should have been 100 separate bills. Let each one be addressed and signed or not.

The reason all this stuff is crammed into the COVID relief and Omni package is because it could not be passed like that in the first place even with bipartisan support. Congress isn't set up to actually legislate in the method you propose anymore and has not been for a while.
 
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Exactly why they should be separate items. Some will pass, others won't. But the ones that don't won't hold up those that will.
 

K1052

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Exactly why they should be separate items. Some will pass, others won't. But the ones that don't won't hold up those that will.

The wishing for Congress to suddenly be not dysfunctional is naive and dangerously so at this juncture. When you can get McConnell to bring legislation to the floor on a regular basis even if he doesn't like it or allow amendments in an orderly process let me know.
 
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Exactly why they should be separate items. Some will pass, others won't. But the ones that don't won't hold up those that will.
Nothing will pass through Congress right now with the method you propose.
Fer fucks sake....

The foreign aid is in the omnibus budget because Trump requested it!

The odds of Mitch McConnell Ok-ing 2k a month for 6 months is about the same as me turning into Chris Hemsworth. But by all means demand it while millions of people run out of money, get evicted from their homes, and the government shuts down in the middle of the worst crisis since WWII.
I don't know why people keep getting hung up on the fucking checks. The big deal is the UI, rental assistance, and PPP (since many get health insurance by being employed) - you know, the programs that help people that need help. The checks are just additional stimulus that end up going out to people regardless of actual need.
 
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^^^ That was one point I made long ago. I got the 1200, but wasn't out of work due to current events. Should I have got it?

One school of thought was No. I had not suffered directly from loss of a job due to a shut down or restrictions.

Another school of thought was Yes. Money to individuals goes out to retailers who were hurt.

Thing is, how many people didn't spend that 1200, or at least not locally? How many added it to savings or investments?
 

sportage

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A little story my friends from yours truly.

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Why, my sweet little tot, (the fake president lied), There's a spot on this stimulus check that won't light on one side.

So I'm taking your stimulus check home to my workshop in Mar-A-Lago, my dear.
I'll fix it up there, then I'll bring it back here.

And the fib fooled the people. Then he patted their heads, and he got them a drink, and he sent them to bed.

And when every American including Cindy-Lou-Who was in bed with their cups,
Trump crupt to the chimney and stuffed the stimulus checks up!

Then he went up the chimney himself, the old fat liar,
and the last thing he took was the log for their fire.
On their walls he left nothing but hooks and some wire.

And the one speck of food that he left in the houses,
was a crumb that was even too small for the mouses.

Then he did the same thing to the other citizens houses,

leaving crumbs much too small for the other hungry mouses.
 
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The wishing for Congress to suddenly be not dysfunctional is naive and dangerously so at this juncture. When you can get McConnell to bring legislation to the floor on a regular basis even if he doesn't like it or allow amendments in an orderly process let me know.
Nothing will pass through Congress right now with the method you propose.
Change has to begin somewhere. One change would be to require that all bills be voted on within "X" days. Nothing could be held indefinitely or not acted on at all. Get them to a vote on the record. Let the voters see who supports what.
 

K1052

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Change has to begin somewhere. One change would be to require that all bills be voted on within "X" days. Nothing could be held indefinitely or not acted on at all. Get them to a vote on the record. Let the voters see who supports what.

As I said before, when you can get McConnell to agree to the requisite rule changes let me know otherwise this is fantasy and should not be indulged.