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SlowSpyder

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If Trump had beheaded someone on the street this would have been your response. So the nutter in chief decides to invite the enemies who supported Bin Laden against all reason right before 9/11 then canceled it when one American was killed, something that could easily be anticipated if not the precise date, and "made the correct choice"? Which fuckup are you defending if not both?


No, if Trump beheaded someone in the street that would not be my response. Him calling off talks because they killed an American, that is my response.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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No, if Trump beheaded someone in the street that would not be my response. Him calling off talks because they killed an American, that is my response.


And if he had not would that also be the correct response? I ask that because knowing the Taliban's actions from recent history they could be trusted to not be trusted and in that sense, their behavior is predictable in probabilistic terms.

The Taliban killings of Americans and others was and is perfectly predictable whether before or after the meeting. Trump doesn't trust Iran but does the protectors of Bin Laden and terrorists on a scale greater than Iran?

The correct action was to never have this meeting at this level with any President. Perhaps a backdoor channel in some third party nation with no expectations to establish a process, but other than that? Extreme foolishness.
 

UNCjigga

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I'm very thankful that the President has voices of reason like Mike Pence and Michael Bolton who talked him off that ledge...

/not a hint of sarcasm!
 

fskimospy

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He sets a fire, puts it out and wants credit. Right there to give it to him eh?

Maybe you should save your dignity, get off your knees.

It also makes zero sense as a rationale as this is a war, of course they are killing Americans. If they weren't killing anyone why would we need to enter into talks with them?

Imagine how silly we would find it if the Taliban decided to call off talks because we killed some of their people.
 
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thraashman

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No, if Trump beheaded someone in the street that would not be my response. Him calling off talks because they killed an American, that is my response.
At this point literally everyone on this forum knows you'd defend Trump if you walked in on him raping your mom after killing your dad and dog.
 
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SlowSpyder

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At this point literally everyone on this forum knows you'd defend Trump if you walked in on him raping your mom after killing your dad and dog.


But I already don't agree with everything he's for. Do you guys ever get tired of being dead wrong?
 

SlowSpyder

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Can you detail the substantive policies of his you disagree with?


While I understand why, and get that in a way they exist to get around established law, but I think his bump stock ban won't accomplish much of anything. Stupid ban.

He's been a bit slow on the wall.

I think he spends too much on our military.

I think it would be best for him to let some things on Twitter go.

Mostly other than that, he's been great for America.
 

fskimospy

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While I understand why, and get that in a way they exist to get around established law, but I think his bump stock ban won't accomplish much of anything. Stupid ban.

He's been a bit slow on the wall.

I think he spends too much on our military.

I think it would be best for him to let some things on Twitter go.

Mostly other than that, he's been great for America.

Did you really just say that your area of substantive disagreement with Trump is that he isn’t enacting Trump policy fast enough? Hahaha, that’s so perfect.
 
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I for one would like to see Taliban leaders out on a golf course with Trump.

Best would be Trump & Lil Kim (Fat Boy)

Kim’s state media would tell everyone the Presidents played a heroic game of Golf but couldn’t match the Supreme Leaders 18 hole in one’s.
That would make Trump go ballistic
 
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While I understand why, and get that in a way they exist to get around established law, but I think his bump stock ban won't accomplish much of anything. Stupid ban.

He's been a bit slow on the wall.

I think he spends too much on our military.

I think it would be best for him to let some things on Twitter go.

Mostly other than that, he's been great for America.

Yay we’re making headway.
Congratulations on joining the fact club

This isn’t meant to be sarcastic
 

SlowSpyder

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Did you really just say that your area of substantive disagreement with Trump is that he isn’t enacting Trump policy fast enough? Hahaha, that’s so perfect.


Well, the wall was one of the bigger pillars of his campaign.

Imagine if Hugo Chavez was running here, someone you'd obviously vote for, and he promised free healthcare but movement was slow on that after being elected. You might call it out as an issue that he could be doing better on.
 
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This is like the trade war. I think the President is on to something and it’s worth a risk.
The problem is we have no defined goal
We have no idea what success looks like
We have no idea what steps will need to be taken
We’ve shit on allies that are needed to make a deal.


I’ll give the President credit for trying, I hold him accountable for being lazy and not having a plan.
 

fskimospy

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Well, it was one of the bigger pillars of his campaign.

Imagine if Hugo Chavez was running here, someone you'd obviously vote for, and he promised free healthcare but movement was slow on that after being elected. You might call it out as an issue that he could be doing better on.

Except I asked for places you disagreed with him on and you mentioned an area where you and he are in total agreement. That's how pathetic your sycophancy is.

As for Hugo Chavez, you can easily find plenty of posts from me describing him as a monster so no, I would obviously not vote for him. He did have a great deal in common with Trump though, the corruption, the incompetence, etc, etc. Honestly you would probably vote for him long before me because you're an emotion based voter.
 

zinfamous

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Did you really just say that your area of substantive disagreement with Trump is that he isn’t enacting Trump policy fast enough? Hahaha, that’s so perfect.

exactly this, lol. "I disagree with him on things where he isn't quickly enough doing the things he said he would do."

slow is cancer.
 

Commodus

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While I understand why, and get that in a way they exist to get around established law, but I think his bump stock ban won't accomplish much of anything. Stupid ban.

He's been a bit slow on the wall.

I think he spends too much on our military.

I think it would be best for him to let some things on Twitter go.

Mostly other than that, he's been great for America.

No, actual disagreements on policy, not quibbles. That's like saying that Obama wasn't perfect because he wore a tan suit once.

It's rather amusing watching you dance around what you want to say: that you believe Trump is essentially perfect. You only allow yourself those disagreements that protect that worldview. His issues in your mind aren't his censorship of science, his pandering to Russia or backing long-term tax cuts for the rich while offering only temporary breaks (at best) for everyone else... no, it's that he's not executing on his vision quickly enough.
 

Jhhnn

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No, actual disagreements on policy, not quibbles. That's like saying that Obama wasn't perfect because he wore a tan suit once.

It's rather amusing watching you dance around what you want to say: that you believe Trump is essentially perfect. You only allow yourself those disagreements that protect that worldview. His issues in your mind aren't his censorship of science, his pandering to Russia or backing long-term tax cuts for the rich while offering only temporary breaks (at best) for everyone else... no, it's that he's not executing on his vision quickly enough.

A shill doesn't have to believe any of it to be a shill.
 

JEDIYoda

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Trump was just gradstanding hoping to be able to announce a break through with the Taliban right before the 2020 elections and thus make his base renew their support for the man!!
Anyway you look at it , it was a sham and a politically motivated embarrassment to Trump!!
Just imagine had he managed to sucure an agreement it would have been a winner winner chicken dinner for Trump!!
 
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Just like gun control if Trump was able to focus and have a plan I’m sure he could do something. The deplorable’s won’t stand a Democrat doing it.
Sadly the President is too lazy and lacks being able to accept suggestions and he doesn’t make long term plans.
This is something the President could be great at but he chooses not to be great.