Trump calls on Sessions to stop Mueller probe

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President Donald Trump Wednesday called on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end the federal probe examining allegations of collusion and obstruction of justice — though the president's attorneys have tried to downplay Trump's comments.

"This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!" Trump tweeted in a series of tweets.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/01/trump-calls-on-sessions-to-stop-mueller-probe-755030

From Politico, but the tweet speaks for itself.

This seems notable to me because it's, I think, the closest Trump has come to giving an order to shut down the Mueller investigation. The key word here is 'should'. Saying that Sessions should do something is the same as saying he ought to do something. When the POTUS tells a government official that he ought to do something, it's very very close to having the force of a command. Surely Trump is creeping closer and closer to obstruction with these tweets, right?

Then there's this little gem from later in the article,
Brad Parscale, Trump's 2020 presidential campaign manager, in June tweeted that the president should fire Sessions and end Mueller's investigation.

"You can’t obstruct something that was phony against you," Parscale wrote in a tweet.

The investigation isn't phony, that is, there exists an active investigation. As there is an investigation, it is entirely possible to obstruct it. How do you get to be a campaign manager for a sitting President when you can't even write a coherent statement? Ugh.
 

jackstar7

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And he knows his tweets are being checked...

So here we are: brazen obstruction.
 
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He does realize that if he REALLY wants it stopped he could just make it so right?

Meanwhile it was reported that Mueller was looking at Trump's tweets for obstruction of justice and he proceeds to tweet to obstruct justice.

Stable genius at work.
 

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Trump is getting increasingly desperate to stop this investigation. He is currently attempting to get it stopped with out actually ordering it done so he can claim plausible deniability and sacrifice Sessions instead. But so far Sessions has been unwilling to be Trump's fall guy. Trump will eventually order it done. Then our nation will come to the crossroads. Do we look the other way and basically declare the President above the law, and in doing so condemn our democracy death, or do we condemn the President and face the possibility of a civil war if his followers refuse to accept it?
 

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Why should he worry? "Collusion [ with Russia ] is not illegal" right? Right?

Meanwhile, he's discovered that the famous ATOT claim of needing to provide forms and proof of citizenship in order to buy vinegar is true!

"He called for stronger voter ID laws, telling the audience that you need an ID to buy groceries, but not to vote. " Narrator: (Identification is not needed to buy groceries.)
--- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...cous-florida-crowd/ar-BBLl2cC?ocid=spartandhp
 

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He does realize that if he REALLY wants it stopped he could just make it so right?

Meanwhile it was reported that Mueller was looking at Trump's tweets for obstruction of justice and he proceeds to tweet to obstruct justice.

Stable genius at work.

Mind you, if he can, his advisors are probably screaming at him not to do it. That's the kind of crisis that genuinely could cost him his office (even if just in 2020) and burn Republicans.
 

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Mind you, if he can, his advisors are probably screaming at him not to do it. That's the kind of crisis that genuinely could cost him his office (even if just in 2020) and burn Republicans.
You actually think Repubs would do anything? Their base will believe anything (as long as the liberals get blamed for it).
 

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You actually think Repubs would do anything? Their base will believe anything (as long as the liberals get blamed for it).

It's a difficult call, but I think Republicans are cynical enough to know that this could seriously affect their chances in November (or in 2020, if Trump tried to kill the investigation later) and would do something, even if there would still be some support. See how Republicans mysteriously become honest about Trump when they're not running for reelection? They back him only as long as they think it'll punch their meal ticket; if Trump becomes sufficiently poisonous, they'll drop him like a hot potato.
 

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Trump should take a page out of Putin's book and eliminate Mueller in a not-so-discreet manner. As long as he doesn't post a video on the Internet showing him killing Mueller himself, the excuse generator will carry on running like business as usual.

"He tripped and fell on his novichok-soaked shears!"
"This proves that Mueller was working for the Russians!"
 
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It's a difficult call, but I think Republicans are cynical enough to know that this could seriously affect their chances in November (or in 2020, if Trump tried to kill the investigation later) and would do something, even if there would still be some support. See how Republicans mysteriously become honest about Trump when they're not running for reelection? They back him only as long as they think it'll punch their meal ticket; if Trump becomes sufficiently poisonous, they'll drop him like a hot potato.
Only IF the base drops him, that doesn't seem to be a possibility so far.
The ones retiring are still backing nearly everything he's doing, talk is cheap.
 

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Mind you, if he can, his advisors are probably screaming at him not to do it. That's the kind of crisis that genuinely could cost him his office (even if just in 2020) and burn Republicans.

From everything I've read, his advisors don't do much screaming. They do ass-kissing subservience. Just recently in London a British reporter wrote about it, he said it was very much like something out of an old movie, servants of the Emperor type of thing.

Being able to handle nothing but yes-men around you should be immediate cause to be cast out of a leadership position. I've watched it in action just in my little corporate IT circles...the bosses that can't take frank advice are invariable terrible bosses.
 

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It's a difficult call, but I think Republicans are cynical enough to know that this could seriously affect their chances in November (or in 2020, if Trump tried to kill the investigation later) and would do something, even if there would still be some support. See how Republicans mysteriously become honest about Trump when they're not running for reelection? They back him only as long as they think it'll punch their meal ticket; if Trump becomes sufficiently poisonous, they'll drop him like a hot potato.
You're talking about cultists. They've been known to drink the poison.
 
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The same people who are candy to your eyes can be poison to your heart. Study their ingredients before feeding them to your soul.
These fu*ks have gleefully fed their souls to an endlessly greedy, stupid, slovenly, corrupt treasonous, piece of shit. They only wish they had more to give because that Fu*k is still hungry. He's always hungry.
 

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Trump should take a page out of Putin's book and eliminate Mueller in a not-so-discreet manner. As long as he doesn't post a video on the Internet showing him killing Mueller himself, the excuse generator will carry on running like business as usual.

"He tripped and fell on his novichok-soaked shears!"
"This proves that Mueller was working for the Russians!"

Mueller could drop dead tomorrow & it wouldn't matter because Rosenstein would just advance one of the team into the leadership role-

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/politics/meet-the-mueller-team/index.html

All star ball breakers, every one of them.
 

jackstar7

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I wonder if they fire Mueller from the lead position, could the next in line then hire him back onto the team?
 

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These fu*ks have gleefully fed their souls to an endlessly greedy, stupid, slovenly, corrupt treasonous, piece of shit. They only wish they had more to give because that Fu*k is still hungry. He's always hungry.

People can deceive themselves into horrible actions. I'm still confident that we can make it out relatively okay.