Trump bows to political correctness and flip-flops on Muslim ban

[agent00f]

While support for specific terrorist groups seems to have gone down, if you just look at support for suicide bombing in general, some countries (i.e. Jordan, Nigeria) have moderated while others (i.e. Egypt, Turkey) have stayed about the same. Overall this new polling data is better but the results remain troubling.

Then perhaps you can explain/answer my question above. What exactly is wrong with suicide bombing?

 

[ivwshane]

Yes you stupid fuck, Hillary wanted to give the president the necessary tools in order to get the desired outcome, it's precisely why presidential candidates and presidents, like to keep all options on the table.

Being the rabid and completely irrational Hillary hater that you are and considering your recent dive into the hole of insanity, conspiracy, and right wing rhetoric, nuance is something you are no longer capable of comprehending.

Holy crap! I thought that places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and Bangladesh were relatively safe. Apparently they are some of the worst.


Don't forget that we found virtually all the WMDs we KNEW were there - turns out that Hussein never destroyed them after all. Two of them were even used as IEDs against our troops, thankfully without much success. What we didn't find were the WMDs we accused him of continuing to manufacture.


lol It's a damned good thing for Hillary that we have so many stupid people.

"I voted for the use of force, but not for the use of force. It's as mysterious and unknowable as the meaning of the word 'is'."

"<sigh>What a great person!"

 

[ivwshane]

Then perhaps you can explain/answer my question above. What exactly is wrong with suicide bombing?

The same things that are wrong with armies that don't fight by lining up shoulder to shoulder and behind one another while advancing uniformly. It's not noble.

 

[agent00f]

The same things that are wrong with armies that don't fight by lining up shoulder to shoulder and behind one another while advancing uniformly. It's not noble.

The poll question also seems odd to me. Suicide bombing is a tactic of war, a tool if you will. It's like asking if you support using screws (and presumably screwdrivers). That isn't really a yes/no question, so answering yes/no is kind of meaningless.

 

[werepossum]

Yes you stupid fuck, Hillary wanted to give the president the necessary tools in order to get the desired outcome, it's precisely why presidential candidates and presidents, like to keep all options on the table.

Being the rabid and completely irrational Hillary hater that you are and considering your recent dive into the hole of insanity, conspiracy, and right wing rhetoric, nuance is something you are no longer capable of comprehending.

lol Exhibit A.

 

[ivwshane]

lol Exhibit A.

Yeah, we saw your post, no need for further buckshatting.

 

[HomerJS]

Yeah, we saw your post, no need for further buckshatting.

Even if you accept his premise anyone remember the dozens of visits by Dick Chee-nee to the CIA. Shaping the intel to get a desired outcome.

Any member of Congress who reviewed the intel got it from the Bush administration. Individual members of congress do not have their own CIA.

 

[Jhhnn]

Holy crap! I thought that places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and Bangladesh were relatively safe. Apparently they are some of the worst.


Don't forget that we found virtually all the WMDs we KNEW were there - turns out that Hussein never destroyed them after all. Two of them were even used as IEDs against our troops, thankfully without much success. What we didn't find were the WMDs we accused him of continuing to manufacture.


lol It's a damned good thing for Hillary that we have so many stupid people.

"I voted for the use of force, but not for the use of force. It's as mysterious and unknowable as the meaning of the word 'is'."

"<sigh>What a great person!"

WMDs? We didn't know anything & we didn't find anything, either-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-ClS5uwNo

How desperate are you when you have to lie to convince yourself?

 

[emperus]

WMDs? We didn't know anything & we didn't find anything, either-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-ClS5uwNo

How desperate are you when you have to lie to convince yourself?

Watching that clip The Republican party should be ashamed at the people they nominate to be President. Bush wasn't bad enough, now we get Trump?

 

[HomerJS]

Holy crap! I thought that places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and Bangladesh were relatively safe. Apparently they are some of the worst.


Don't forget that we found virtually all the WMDs we KNEW were there - turns out that Hussein never destroyed them after all. Two of them were even used as IEDs against our troops, thankfully without much success. What we didn't find were the WMDs we accused him of continuing to manufacture.


lol It's a damned good thing for Hillary that we have so many stupid people.

"I voted for the use of force, but not for the use of force. It's as mysterious and unknowable as the meaning of the word 'is'."

"<sigh>What a great person!"

Rather then debate the meaning of "is" lets look at an exerpt from the actual Iraq war resolution

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

Key phrase "as he determines to be necessary"

Congress gave Bush the authority to go to war but did not say "goto war". That determination was his.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, Clinton voted for the war, after the Bush administration lied to both Congress and the American people about the presence of WMD's there. I find it more difficult to fault her for the vote when she was being misled, don't you?

Except her husband was POTUS just a few years prior. He would have known better and he thought they had WMDs. She also pushed policies during her SOS post that helped cause this.

 

[buckshot24]

While support for specific terrorist groups seems to have gone down, if you just look at support for suicide bombing in general, some countries (i.e. Jordan, Nigeria) have moderated while others (i.e. Egypt, Turkey) have stayed about the same. Overall this new polling data is better but the results remain troubling.

Lets see if he has the integrity to admit that he was totally owned by his own link.

 

[HomerJS]

Except her husband was POTUS just a few years prior. He would have known better and he thought they had WMDs. She also pushed policies during her SOS post that helped cause this.

Bill Clinton the policy of containment when it came to Saddam. GOP got into office and screwed it up.

 

[buckshot24]

Bill Clinton the policy of containment when it came to Saddam. GOP got into office and screwed it up.

He would have known the intel on Iraq and WMD. He certainly talked to his wife about it.

 

[HomerJS]

He would have known the intel on Iraq and WMD. He certainly talked to his wife about it.

Any chance while Clinton in office not enough evidence to conclude Saddam had WMD.

Bush comes in makes claim to Congress and people, stuff changed and now we've found evidence of WMD. Two years in the intel world is an eternity.

Now we do know that didn't happen since there were no WMD. In fact a cadre of Neocons early as 1999 penned a letter wanting to take out Saddam.

 

[1prophet]

This is such bullshit. What do want her to do? It was the year 2002, one year after 9/11. She was a 1st term senator from goddamn New York, of course she'd vote for he Iraq war.

If she didn't, can you imagine the right wing hysteria that would have followed?

And if she voted against the war she would have had no trouble in the 2006 reelection along with one less thing for Obama & Bernie supporters to point a finger at, but that would have required her being Senator for the people and the country not her political career and ambitions.

After six years on the job, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will resign, President Bush said Wednesday. WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stepped down as defense secretary on Wednesday, one day after midterm elections in which opposition to the war in Iraq contributed to heavy Republican losses.Nov 8, 2006

 

[FrankRamiro]

I don't believe Congress has declared war since WW2. Clinton voted to give the President the authority to invade Iraq if necessary. It was Bush's decision to go or not go.

You've got to be kidding;Clinton's Bush's,Obama's and all those in the senate including Hillary that supported this F***** wars on Irak,Afghanistan,Syria, now you're trolling here ,it's unbelievable you came here in support of Hillary and downgrading Trump that had nothing to do with these F***** catastrophic policies to got to war, that caused America to go bankruptcy due a gigantic deficit,putting millions of Americans on the brink of poverty,i think you supporters of Hillary are sick,yes sick; anybody that supports same old shitty policies same old support for wars against Mideast are sick and deserve to suffer,
Americans voted for Obama on the promised that would be CHANGE,no Wars,CHANGE MY ASS;OBAMA,CLINTON's,Bush's,all are part of Establishment and all the scam bags in the Senate that do nothing to invert the situation.F****** them all and those that support it

 

[Jhhnn]

And if she voted against the war she would have had no trouble in the 2006 reelection along with one less thing for Obama & Bernie supporters to point a finger at, but that would have required her being Senator for the people and the country not her political career and ambitions.

Or is it just possible that she actually took GWB at his word?

The Bush Admin didn't advance the resolution as going to war, they advanced it as a way to force Iraqi compliance with weapons inspections & war only if that didn't happen. Even though that compliance was obtained, they invaded anyway.

That was after a massive & relentless campaign of fearmongering & bloodlust facilitated by a plethora of lies & distortions.

When the rationale for war proved to be false, their switch to "Support the Troops!" was masterful, an appeal to gut emotion that circumvented reason entirely.

 

[bshole]

So, we blow up Iraq & Syria, deny the functioning of government, create the right circumstances for ISIS to exist, but we won't take in anybody fleeing the violence cuz they might be a Terrarist!

Meanwhile, waves of refugees swamp Europe's ability to cope with it when they're already stressed economically giving rise to a variety of demagoguery.

Which means the obvious answer is to dip our bullets in pig blood, kill the Terrarists, kill their families & take their oil.

That's not demagoguery, is it?

Don't put it all on us. Put some (or perhaps majority) on fundamentalist Muslims who appear to be unable to run a country in the absence of guidance from a nonexistent God. They were once on a par or perhaps even superior to Western civilization. It was THEIR decision to turn their back on science and secularism, not ours.

 

[HomerJS]

You've got to be kidding;Clinton's Bush's,Obama's and all those in the senate including Hillary that supported this F***** wars on Irak,Afghanistan,Syria, now you're trolling here ,it's unbelievable you came here in support of Hillary and downgrading Trump that had nothing to do with these F***** catastrophic policies to got to war, that caused America to go bankruptcy due a gigantic deficit,putting millions of Americans on the brink of poverty,i think you supporters of Hillary are sick,yes sick; anybody that supports same old shitty policies same old support for wars against Mideast are sick and deserve to suffer,
Americans voted for Obama on the promised that would be CHANGE,no Wars,CHANGE MY ASS;OBAMA,CLINTON's,Bush's,all are part of Establishment and all the scam bags in the Senate that do nothing to invert the situation.F****** them all and those that support it

Woah!

You are correct, Hillary by voting for authorization helped in supporting the war. She did not vote to start the war.

Obama ran on getting out of Iraq. He never said he would end all wars.

 

[agent00f]

Don't put it all on us. Put some (or perhaps majority) on fundamentalist Muslims who appear to be unable to run a country in the absence of guidance from a nonexistent God. They were once on a par or perhaps even superior to Western civilization. It was THEIR decision to turn their back on science and secularism, not ours.

But you can see how if someone overthrew our government, that the religious nutcases with all the guns might be in a better position to form a new one.

 

[dawp]

looks like someone didn't know you can't ask foreign nationals for campaign donations.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...is-fierce-Scottish-MP-for-an-illegal-donation

 

[bshole]

But you can see how if someone overthrew our government, that the religious nutcases with all the guns might be in a better position to form a new one.

True but that isn't what happened in Islam. While they were still on a par with the West THEY UNILATERALLY made the move while the West moved towards secularism/science. They NEVER made a move back towards secularism/science. They have not had their Reformation. That is THEIR fault, not ours. The fact that they are NOW so weak and powerless that they can be easily victimized by the West is an indictment of theocracy. It demonstrates that theocracy is an inferior model/world view than the Wests. There is no flood of people to these shitholes, there are only floods of people to Western secular nations. There is a reason for this.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Woah!

You are correct, Hillary by voting for authorization helped in supporting the war. She did not vote to start the war.

Obama ran on getting out of Iraq. He never said he would end all wars.

What do you understand by ""Change"" means? and yes he promised ending this lunatic intrusion in middle east,and yes he removed some solders from Iraq,but what was the result? all he did was to give more power to the terrorists Isis,great decision, all he did was to put in jeopardy the remaining solders and the Democratic regime that these F**** USA politicians say they achieved,democratic Irak my ass again,lies ,lies.,when you and intelligent Americans open their eyes and see clear what's going on,Bush/Clinton's /Obama and majority of the American Senate don't give a F**** to these Middle east people's rights but to get as much oil they can out of these Middle East countries for cheap,use this god dam democratic crap to blind the eyes of Americans and the rest of the world opinions.

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't put it all on us. Put some (or perhaps majority) on fundamentalist Muslims who appear to be unable to run a country in the absence of guidance from a nonexistent God. They were once on a par or perhaps even superior to Western civilization. It was THEIR decision to turn their back on science and secularism, not ours.

True but that isn't what happened in Islam. While they were still on a par with the West THEY UNILATERALLY made the move while the West moved towards secularism/science. They NEVER made a move back towards secularism/science. They have not had their Reformation. That is THEIR fault, not ours. The fact that they are NOW so weak and powerless that they can be easily victimized by the West is an indictment of theocracy. It demonstrates that theocracy is an inferior model/world view than the Wests. There is no flood of people to these shitholes, there are only floods of people to Western secular nations. There is a reason for this.

Iraq was a socialist secular society until we blew the shit out of the place, crippled & finally destroyed their govt while inflaming ancient tribal animosity.