Trump-Biden race tightens in battleground states to almost dead even

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If you don't like her wait till I tell you about Manchin and Sinema.

Really this sounds like a willingness to settle for a backsliding on progressive values in the form of GOP governance across the board in perpetuity until a list of things that are not likely to happen...happens. Any progressive gains are by political necessity going to be incremental unless you'd rather not have any at all.
The constant notion of "shut up and take the lesser evil bitch" is quickly fading.

People are sick and tired of being ignored and told to vote for someone that doesn't live up to any of the values they are looking for. Voting for someone under the guise of "Well maybe we can convince him to change in office" is fall on the floor laugh worthy.

You can't be fucking serious?
 

Meghan54

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Idiocy is getting old!

Trump is running as a populist and picking popular positions while Biden keeps getting more and more corporate.

Don't be surprised if you lose because you had rose tinted glasses on. You can't convince Trumpanzees what is good and what is not.


So, in essence, what you've said is that you've totally given up in actively participating in the upcoming election in as far as taking any responsibility for your vote, given you've already stated you're casting your vote for any 3rd party candidate out there because Biden's not pure enough lefty and Trump is too righty for you....which is to say you're effectively voting for Trump in the end. Figures.
 
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cytg111

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The constant notion of "shut up and take the lesser evil bitch" is quickly fading.

People are sick and tired of being ignored and told to vote for someone that doesn't live up to any of the values they are looking for. Voting for someone under the guise of "Well maybe we can convince him to change in office" is fall on the floor laugh worthy.

You can't be fucking serious?
what kind of moron would take the bigger evil?
 

K1052

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Defund the police!

Ring a bell? You know who doesn't want to defund the police? Most african americans that depend on then to police their communities.

You know who doesn't care? Stupid spoiled suburban white morons.


But again, just keep listening to eski. It's silly to talk about these polls and illustrate how similar they were to 2016. It's all a dream! Biden will easily win, so you can just stay home.

I think you missed the point that it speaks to likely enormous problems with the survey. The Trump campaign thinks they'll do 10% (it was 8% in 16). 19% is simply not credible.
 

Indus

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So, in essence, what you've said is that you've totally given up in actively participating in the upcoming election in as far as taking any responsibility for your vote, given you've already stated you're casting your vote for any 3rd party candidate out there because Biden's not pure enough lefty and Trump is too righty for you....which is to say you're effectively voting for Trump in the end. Figures.

There you go projecting again.

I'm a person who's married to a trans woman who was assaulted by a Trumpanzee and told to get the fuck out of the country. Why would I vote 3rd party?

But I'm not blind to what is happening and can see the pulse of voters. People are clearly underestimating Trump again.
 
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purbeast0

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How many more of these threads can we expect before Election Day? If you are not using polling averages and/or are relying on unreliable pollsters you’re either making a dumb mistake or you’re engaging in motivated reasoning.

Per 538 the ‘tightening’ that we have seen, which could be completely fake, has made Trump approximately 2% more likely to win the election.

See how silly this is?
Polling in general is silly but it is always the talk.
 

Meghan54

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There you go projecting again.

I'm a person who's married to a trans woman who was assaulted by a Trumpanzee and told to get the fuck out of the country. Why would I vote 3rd party?

But I'm not blind to what is happening and can see the pulse of voters. People are clearly underestimating Trump again.
Projection my ass. You’re the one that’s said Biden doesn’t get your vote because he’s apparently not liberal enough and you’ll use your vote uselessly. I didn’t make those comments, u did. So now ur upset that I had the gaul to show their underlying meaning?

And love the “U can’t criticize me.. because liberal reasons!!!!”

Just stfu, tosser. I swear Bro’s are the most sanctimonious assholes out there, and you’re making the case. Good show.
 
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Indus

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Projection my ass. You’re the one that’s said Biden doesn’t get your vote because he’s apparently not liberal enough and you’ll use your vote uselessly. I didn’t make those comments, u did. So now ur upset that I had the gaul to show their underlying meaning?

And love the “U can’t criticize me.. because liberal reasons!!!!”

Just stfu, tosser. I swear Bro’s are the most sanctimonious assholes out there, and you’re making the case. Good show.

You don't upset me.. you make me laugh at you with your holier than thou attitude.
 

Jhhnn

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The constant notion of "shut up and take the lesser evil bitch" is quickly fading.

People are sick and tired of being ignored and told to vote for someone that doesn't live up to any of the values they are looking for. Voting for someone under the guise of "Well maybe we can convince him to change in office" is fall on the floor laugh worthy.

You can't be fucking serious?

Trump values?
 
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thilanliyan

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You can't speak or write one negative thing about the democratic party or BLM. Not one. Think about that for a second.. Seriously think about it. You have closed your mind to rational thought or discussion and you are calling me out on rational thought? You're dealing with someone whose mind is free. I am objective and clear headed. You on the other hand are operating at half speed, son. I've mostly given up on this forum because it's full of a bunch of ignorant irrational man children. You guys can't stand to hear one objective thought unless it fits your narrative.
Biden did condemn the violence didn't he? In all honesty though, this is happening on Trump's watch, not Biden's. He's basically saying "Vote for me and I'll fix the issues". He's had nearly 4 yrs to fix the issues and has not done so, so why believe him now?
 

fskimospy

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Biden did condemn the violence didn't he? In all honesty though, this is happening on Trump's watch, not Biden's. He's basically saying "Vote for me and I'll fix the issues". He's had nearly 4 yrs to fix the issues and has not done so, so why believe him now?
None of it makes any sense. If Trump can stop the violence as he claims that means he could be doing it now and is choosing not to. That’s even worse than being unable.
 

ewdotson

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None of it makes any sense. If Trump can stop the violence as he claims that means he could be doing it now and is choosing not to. That’s even worse than being unable.
Unfortunately it makes perfect sense if one thinks that a second term would empower Trump to implement a full police state and that that's a desirable proposition. :(

I'm pretty sure that's a losing proposition for him though. Pretty sure.
 

SMOGZINN

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The constant notion of "shut up and take the lesser evil bitch" is quickly fading.

People are sick and tired of being ignored and told to vote for someone that doesn't live up to any of the values they are looking for. Voting for someone under the guise of "Well maybe we can convince him to change in office" is fall on the floor laugh worthy.

You can't be fucking serious?
There is no such thing as perfect. When you look at it like that you are always choosing between two evils.
So, look for the one that most represents the values that you want. That is literally what politics is.
 

hal2kilo

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There is no such thing as perfect. When you look at it like that you are always choosing between two evils.
So, look for the one that most represents the values that you want. That is literally what politics is.
Him and Starmaster should get a room.
 
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HomerJS

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You can't speak or write one negative thing about the democratic party or BLM. Not one. Think about that for a second.. Seriously think about it. You have closed your mind to rational thought or discussion and you are calling me out on rational thought? You're dealing with someone whose mind is free. I am objective and clear headed. You on the other hand are operating at half speed, son. I've mostly given up on this forum because it's full of a bunch of ignorant irrational man children. You guys can't stand to hear one objective thought unless it fits your narrative.
Seems you can't even have a rant honestly. There have been numerous times left leaning people here call out wrong doing from the left. I've done it myself such as criticizing Rachel Maddow as have others. That is not the case on the right.

You try it. Say one good thing about BLM.

As for honest debate I tried but you people refuse to justify your positions. You just vomit on the table and move on. Perfect example is this thread...


I asked many times for the "no" voters to justify their vote. I got nothing but silence.
 

zinfamous

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Tbh I think Trump has completely fucked up the covid response. I think he is a terrible leader and president. I still don't know that I will vote Democrat any longer. The whole "mostly peaceful protests" thing is absolutely terrifying. This country is heading down the shitter and not a Democrat in office has said stood up for the police or the poor business owners who are losing their livelihood due to some ignorant rioters and looters.

well, when the police and the rioters are the same population, why would you expect anyone stand up for them?

...I think I see the problem.
 

zinfamous

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You can't speak or write one negative thing about the democratic party or BLM. Not one. Think about that for a second.. Seriously think about it. You have closed your mind to rational thought or discussion and you are calling me out on rational thought? You're dealing with someone whose mind is free. I am objective and clear headed. You on the other hand are operating at half speed, son. I've mostly given up on this forum because it's full of a bunch of ignorant irrational man children. You guys can't stand to hear one objective thought unless it fits your narrative.

so, when shown FBI data on who is actually committing the violence: right wing terrorists and police, and not BLM or "antifa," do you maintain your "open-minded objectivity," or do you just reject that because reasons and complain that other people aren't listening to you?
 

Commodus

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The constant notion of "shut up and take the lesser evil bitch" is quickly fading.

People are sick and tired of being ignored and told to vote for someone that doesn't live up to any of the values they are looking for. Voting for someone under the guise of "Well maybe we can convince him to change in office" is fall on the floor laugh worthy.

You can't be fucking serious?

While ideally people would vote for a candidate that truly reflects their values, now definitely isn't time to pick the third-party candidate. It's either Biden or watch the country collapse further under Trump. I'd say "restore the basic elements of a functioning democracy" is highest on the priority list right now.

To abuse Simpsons analogies: we might be asked to choose between Kang and Kodos, but Kang is actively destroying the country while Kodos would at least keep the US intact until we can vote out the aliens altogether.
 

eelw

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National poll


Winning all groups except white males and the 50-64 group
 

fskimospy

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National poll


Winning all groups except white males and the 50-64 group
According to 538 the events of the last week have made Trump roughly 2% more likely to win, which is essentially meaningless.

 

Jhhnn

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National poll

Winning all groups except white males and the 50-64 group


Trump's pandemic response fucked him with seniors, rightfully so. Not dying is pretty much at the top of seniors' to-do lists. Being a ridiculous asshole, fucking with Medicare, SS & the USPS hasn't helped him any, either. This is from awhile back but I doubt things got better for Trump in the meanwhile-

If you compare the Trump-Biden matchups from the new Times surveys to the Trump-Clinton matchup in the network-sponsored exit polls from 2016, the contrast couldn’t be starker. In Michigan, Trump is now trailing Biden by twelve percentage points among senior voters, a swing of sixteen points relative to 2016; in Pennsylvania, he is behind by eighteen points, a swing of twenty-eight points; and in Wisconsin, he is down by twenty-one points, a swing of twenty-two points. Even allowing for some possible polling errors, these are big differences.
And other surveys of the battleground states show a similar shift. A recent poll from Fox News shows Trump trailing Biden by one point in Florida among voters aged sixty-five and over. In 2016, Trump carried seniors in the Sunshine State by seventeen points. In North Carolina in 2016, Trump carried the senior vote by twenty-three points. The Fox News poll shows him leading Biden by just four points there.


That spells doom for Trump in Florida where 20.5% of the population is 65 or older. Seniors vote every chance they get. If Trump loses Florida & any other swing state he loses the election.
 

UNCjigga

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I actually think this is the bigger story we’re seeing from polling—Trump’s base is locked in, has been for at least a year and there’s nothing anyone can do to change their mind/vote. The implications for American democracy are profound—essentially 42% of America would be fine with a Putin-style dictator (even an ineffective wannabe Putin) as long as they were aligned ideologically.


On August 27, 2019, President Donald Trump held a 41.3 percent approval rating and a 54.2 percent disapproval rating, according to FiveThirtyEight’s poll tracker. During the 365 days that followed, Trump became the third president impeached by the House of Representatives; America assassinated Iranian general Qassem Soleimani; more than 200,000 Americans died from the disease caused by the novel coronavirus; the unemployment rate rose from 3.7 percent to 10.2 percent; the US banned incoming travel from Europe, China, and Brazil; an estimated 12 million people lost health insurance coverage; Trump pardoned Roger Stone, who was facing jail time for dirty tricks on the president’s behalf; and George Floyd’s murder sparked a nationwide movement protesting for racial justice — to which officials responded by tear-gassing demonstrators in Lafayette Park in Washington, DC, so Trump could pose for a photograph holding a Bible.

That is, of course, a bitterly incomplete list of a grimly consequential year in American history. But you’d never know it simply by following Trump’s poll numbers. On August 27, 2020 — one year later, and the day Trump used the White House as a backdrop for his convention speech — FiveThirtyEight had Trump at 42.2 percent approval and 54.3 percent disapproval. Everything had happened, and politically, nothing had mattered.
 
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fskimospy

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I actually think this is the bigger story we’re seeing from polling—Trump’s base is locked in, has been for at least a year and there’s nothing anyone can do to change their mind/vote. The implications for American democracy are profound—essentially 42% of America would be fine with a Putin-style dictator (even an ineffective wannabe Putin) as long as they were aligned ideologically.


On August 27, 2019, President Donald Trump held a 41.3 percent approval rating and a 54.2 percent disapproval rating, according to FiveThirtyEight’s poll tracker. During the 365 days that followed, Trump became the third president impeached by the House of Representatives; America assassinated Iranian general Qassem Soleimani; more than 200,000 Americans died from the disease caused by the novel coronavirus; the unemployment rate rose from 3.7 percent to 10.2 percent; the US banned incoming travel from Europe, China, and Brazil; an estimated 12 million people lost health insurance coverage; Trump pardoned Roger Stone, who was facing jail time for dirty tricks on the president’s behalf; and George Floyd’s murder sparked a nationwide movement protesting for racial justice — to which officials responded by tear-gassing demonstrators in Lafayette Park in Washington, DC, so Trump could pose for a photograph holding a Bible.

That is, of course, a bitterly incomplete list of a grimly consequential year in American history. But you’d never know it simply by following Trump’s poll numbers. On August 27, 2020 — one year later, and the day Trump used the White House as a backdrop for his convention speech — FiveThirtyEight had Trump at 42.2 percent approval and 54.3 percent disapproval. Everything had happened, and politically, nothing had mattered.
The whole ‘LOL nothing matters’ thing is a double edged sword.