snoopy7548
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Everyone here is celebrating the ability of corporate power to ban the president of the united states from having a voice or raising money. Even if you hate Trump surely this must give you a little pause for thought? I mean what's to stop them banning people you love tomorrow, what's to stop them dictating what we get to hear about?
There was a time when the liberals actually fought for Nazi's right to protest because they believed freedom of speech was that important. What happened?
Sheldon Adelson, the man who single handedly ensured Israel faces decades of future conflict with the Palestinians.Trump just lost another crutch - Sheldon Adelson has reportedly died.
Man things sure are getting shitty for traitors, and their bank accounts.
Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.Freedom of speech means the government can’t censor your speech. It does not mean that a private company must carry and amplify your speech at its own expense. That’s not freedom, that’s entitlement.
Well, if they decide to not be platforms for speech/actions that are decidedly unhealthy for our society, who can blame them?Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.
Then advocate for the creation of a new public space that is owned by the government and the protections afforded by the first amendment would apply to it.Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.
Calling for the violent overthrow of our government isn't really a moral grey area.Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.
There is a fair point in his post. But the answer is not to destroy first amendment rights to save the first amendment.Well, if they decide to not be platforms for speech/actions that are decidedly unhealthy for our society, who can blame them?
It appears for some it is.....like the current POTUSCalling for the violent overthrow of our government isn't really a moral grey area.
Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.
Yeah pretty disgusting how people are presenting this like trump said something mildly controversial instead of promoting violence and sedition that lead to deaths at the capitol, and was continuing to support those actions until he was banned.It appears for some it is.....like the current POTUS
Pelosi knows. She's not going to back off.Yeah pretty disgusting how people are presenting this like trump said something mildly controversial instead of promoting violence and sedition that lead to deaths at the capitol, and was continuing to support those actions until he was banned.
Well that’s an antitrust issue, not a free speech one. Twitter has and should have the absolute right to determine what speech is right and wrong when it’s the one being asked to publish it on their own dime. If people don’t like it they can start their own Twitter.Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.
He can't get his hate filled message out on TV anymore either. Even Faux News cuts away when he starts lying about how the election was stolen from him and his followers.Trump can walk a few yards to the briefing room and assure himself of an audience. He doesn't need Twitter to get a message out.
Perhaps, but isn't there still an issue with massive corporations now deciding morality? Nobody voted for jack dorsey, why does he deserve to be the arbiter of right and wrong? Twitter is a private company but its also a publishing platform that reaches millions of people, its not insignificant and I think the fact that pretty much every American politician uses twitter is a testament to that. Just because corporations can legally do things, doesn't mean the actions they perform are in any way right, correct, or even healthy for our society.
Well that’s an antitrust issue, not a free speech one.
Trump just lost another crutch - Sheldon Adelson has reportedly died.
Man things sure are getting shitty for traitors, and their bank accounts.
Oh to be clear I don’t think antitrust action is warranted against Twitter, I’m just saying that if it were true that Twitter was so dominant that it could exert the sort of control described the appropriate remedy would be through antitrust enforcement, not destroying the first amendment.Merely being a big company that enforces community and legal standards is not an antitrust issue either.
It's just another lie told by extremists, who want things their way.
Oh to be clear I don’t think antitrust action is warranted against Twitter, I’m just saying that if it were true that Twitter was so dominant that it could exert the sort of control described the appropriate remedy would be through antitrust enforcement, not destroying the first amendment.
How many people actually did this though? Did trump even support violence or just protestors? (no way to tell now all of the tweets are gone... convenient) Is supporting a protest that eventually turns into a riot the same thing as calling for a violent insurrection? I'd argue putting words into peoples mouth definitely is a moral grey area, while no supporting violence isn't.Calling for the violent overthrow of our government isn't really a moral grey area.
Id rather not, the free market is often pretty useless. At least it has been for my health insurance rates and my choice of ISP. Corporations have long had too much power in America and now its bleeding into politics and is dividing this nation but for seemingly no reasonlet the free market decide these companies fate
Making assumptions like this isn't wise, everyone who disagrees with you isn't necessarily an extremist. Ironically making an assumption like this is actually extreme in of itself. George Orwell has a nice word for this, Doublethink.It's just another lie told by extremists, who want things their way.
What do you mean how many people? This thread is about trump. Trump did support it and was happy it was happening. Plus I'm sure those tweets are all archived, stop acting like it's being conveniently hidden to hide the truth or some shit. I didn't put words in anyone's mouth, trump has been calling for his supporters to keep fighting to overthrow the election and repeating the lie that it was stolen or fraudulent in order to whip up his base.How many people actually did this though? Did trump even support violence or just protestors? (no way to tell now all of the tweets are gone... convenient) Is supporting a protest that eventually turns into a riot the same thing as calling for a violent insurrection? I'd argue putting words into peoples mouth definitely is a moral grey area, while no supporting violence isn't.
Oh. Another, "I voted for Biden!" but still being an apologist for rethuglican criminals. Nobody called YOU an exteremist. You're just an imbecile.How many people actually did this though? Did trump even support violence or just protestors? (no way to tell now all of the tweets are gone... convenient) Is supporting a protest that eventually turns into a riot the same thing as calling for a violent insurrection? I'd argue putting words into peoples mouth definitely is a moral grey area, while no supporting violence isn't.
Id rather not, the free market is often pretty useless. At least it has been for my health insurance rates and my choice of ISP. Corporations have long had too much power in America and now its bleeding into politics and is dividing this nation but for seemingly no reason
Making assumptions like this isn't wise, everyone who disagrees with you isn't necessarily an extremist. Ironically making an assumption like this is actually extreme in of itself. George Orwell has a nice word for this, Doublethink.
I don't use twitter, I don't really use social media, and I'm happy to say I voted for biden. I just think its really concerning that people are seemingly okay with acting out 1984. Stifling discussion does no good for this world in my opinion and being a reactionary isn't healthy. The reactionaries at the capitol weren't a good thing and now the reactionaries in the media are also not a good thing.
People trying to take an objective view of the situation aren't extremists. I shouldn't have to preface this much.