Trump Admin trying to cover up climate change and the disappearing Montana glaciers

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It's a sad sick time when your government seeks to cover up science because they are bought and paid for by energy companies. The lengths they have gone to to silence real science is both astounding, and petty. Par for the course in the most anti-intellectual administration in history.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...runk-montana-glaciers/?utm_term=.ffe5933a417b


A U.S. Geological Survey study documenting how climate change has “dramatically reduced” glaciers in Montana came under fire from high-level Interior Department government officials in May, according to a batch of newly released records under the Freedom of Information Act, as they questioned federal scientists’ description of the decline.

Doug Domenech, assistant secretary of insular areas at Interior, alerted colleagues in a May 10 email to the language USGS had written to publicize a study documenting the shrinking of 39 glaciers in Montana since 1966.

The news release began: “The warming climate has dramatically reduced the size of 39 glaciers in Montana since 1966, some by as much as 85 percent.”

Highlighting that sentence, Domenech wrote to three other Interior officials, “This is a perfect example of them going outside their wheelhouse.”

Scott Cameron, who now serves as a principal deputy assistant secretary, responded: “They probably are relying on the percentages but the most basic point is we need to watch for inflammatory adverbs and adjectives in their press releases,” apparently referring to the use of “dramatically” by scientists from USGS and Portland State University who conducted the study.

USGS, the main scientific arm of Interior, publicly describes its mission as providing “impartial information” about the environment, including “the impacts of climate.” The agency has studied climate change since at least the 1970s.

Under a policy established under the current administration, news releases issued by Interior’s different agencies must undergo a “policy review” by department officials before they are released. At the time, Cameron had authority for reviewing USGS news releases. The May 10 statement included the contested language; it is unclear whether the Interior employees were commenting on a draft of the release or the final product.

The email thread, published in response to a FOIA request from Interior climate scientist Joel Clement, is just one instance of Interior’s political appointees keeping a watchful eye on the work of climate scientists within the sprawling department that manages one in every five acres of land in the United States. Clement was reassigned from his post in June and later quit: Both he and a Bureau of Land Management official, Matthew Allen, have both filed records requests in connection with their involuntary reassignments.

Katherine Atkinson, a partner at Wilkenfeld, Herendeen & Atkinson who represents both Clement and Allen, said in an interview Tuesday that the email exchange highlights the extent to which administration appointees have overruled federal officials with expertise in climate science.

“To my knowledge, Mr. Domenech has no scientific background,” Atkinson said. “It concerns me that someone without that kind of background is questioning the work of scientists in putting together this press release on glaciers.”

USGS officials referred questions on the matter to Interior, which did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday.

In a status report filed with the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia filed last month, lawyers for Interior said that they have produced 1,986 pages in response to Clement’s FOIA request, and there are “approximately 40,000 pages of records potentially responsive to the request.”

Interior proposed to process 1,000 pages a month; Atkinson is seeking a faster production rate.

“Interior puts up roadblocks to seeing these documents at every turn,” she said.

President Trump, who has described himself as “not a big believer in man-made climate change,” has installed deputies skeptical of the connection between human activity and atmospheric warming across the federal government, including at Interior. Since taking office, the Trump appointees have scrutinized — and occasionally worked to curtail — climate change communication to the public.

Interior officials asked for a line attributing rising sea levels to climate change to be removed from a news release for a study published in late May in the Nature journal Scientific Reports, for example, and took reports chronicling the impact of climate change on the American Southwest offline.

The study in Scientific Reports, like the one on Montana glaciers, was a collaboration between researchers at USGS and academics outside the federal government. According to the study’s non-federal contributors, the deleted line read, “Global climate change drives sea-level rise, increasing the frequency of coastal flooding.”

The study which attracted scrutiny from Domenech and Cameron also piqued the interest of Facebook chief executive Mark Zuckerberg, who contacted officials at Montana’s Glacier National Park and visited there two months later. In the days leading up to Zuckerberg’s arrival, political appointees at Interior abruptly removed one of the study’s co-authors from a delegation scheduled to give a tour of the park.

Zuckerberg described the visit as a chance to see Montana’s glaciers before they disappeared.

According to emails released last fall, aides to Zinke at Interior headquarters objected to Zuckerberg receiving a briefing from the USGS scientist Daniel Fagre, a research ecologist based at Glacier. The National Park Service’s public affairs staff was also instructed not to post anything about Zuckerberg’s visit on social media, according to individuals familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. The prohibition included sharing a Facebook post Zuckerberg wrote during the visit in which he expressed alarm at the park’s shrinking glaciers, one of its major attractions for visitors.

In the May 10 email thread, Indur Goklany, a science and technology policy analyst skeptical of climate change, responded by questioning what fraction of the glacial shrinkage is “human-induced as opposed to natural variations in precipitation.”

He added that, regardless of cause, fewer glaciers may be better for Montana’s economy. The news release had alluded to the adverse “impact shrinking glaciers can have on tourism.”

“I could also make the argument that it’s not clear that tourism would necessarily suffer since touring season may expand, and hiking may replace glacier-viewing, but that might be a secondary effect,” Goklany wrote.
 

dainthomas

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Liberal conspiracy! Maybe the glaciers aren't getting smaller, they're just getting further away! MAGA!!!
 

Jhhnn

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Just change the name to Trump National Park. Done.

I've been considering starting a thread where the ongoing antics of Trump's Interior Dept can be catalogued like the political cartoon thread...
 

hal2kilo

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Just change the name to Trump National Park. Done.

I've been considering starting a thread where the ongoing antics of Trump's Interior Dept can be catalogued like the political cartoon thread...
Definitely more than enough material.
 

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The news release began: “The warming climate has dramatically reduced the size of 39 glaciers in Montana since 1966, some by as much as 85 percent.”

“I could also make the argument that it’s not clear that tourism would necessarily suffer since touring season may expand, and hiking may replace glacier-viewing, but that might be a secondary effect,” Goklany wrote.

I think what he objected to was the use of "dramatically" which is clearly not a scientific term. I have done engineering reports and never use adjectives like that in them. It is completely useless in the context of engineering/science and should be left for entities like the press, advocacy groups or political parties.

A better press release would have been: "39 glaciers in Montana have shrunk in size since 1966, the biggest shrinkage was 85%, the smallest shrinkage was x% and the average shrinkage was x%. Scientists believe this shrinkage is due to global warming and will continue at a shrinkage rate of x%/decade." No muss/no fuss, leave it to the public to put adjectives on the shrinkage.
 
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I think what he objected to was the use of "dramatically" which is clearly not a scientific term. I have done engineering reports and never use adjectives like that in them. It is completely useless in the context of engineering/science and should be left for entities like the press, advocacy groups or political parties.

A better press release would have been: "39 glaciers in Montana have shrunk in size since 1966, the biggest shrinkage was 85%, the smallest shrinkage was x% and the average shrinkage was x%. Scientists believe this shrinkage is due to global warming and will continue at a shrinkage rate of x%/decade." No muss/no fuss, leave it to the public to put adjectives on the shrinkage.
As a scientist with several publications (and now currently in med comms), I don't see anything wrong with "dramatically" being used. If you can show some analysis to back up the language, then it's fine. Sci comm cannot stick to the boring technical language of only results. It is the scientist's job to put the results in context. Hence, the discussion sections of papers.
 
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I think what he objected to was the use of "dramatically" which is clearly not a scientific term. I have done engineering reports and never use adjectives like that in them. It is completely useless in the context of engineering/science and should be left for entities like the press, advocacy groups or political parties.

A better press release would have been: "39 glaciers in Montana have shrunk in size since 1966, the biggest shrinkage was 85%, the smallest shrinkage was x% and the average shrinkage was x%. Scientists believe this shrinkage is due to global warming and will continue at a shrinkage rate of x%/decade." No muss/no fuss, leave it to the public to put adjectives on the shrinkage.

Wrong
 

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It's like having Soviet era Party Officers, except not in the Soviet Union. This type of shit used to be something "Commies" did.
 

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I think what he objected to was the use of "dramatically" which is clearly not a scientific term. I have done engineering reports and never use adjectives like that in them. It is completely useless in the context of engineering/science and should be left for entities like the press, advocacy groups or political parties.

A better press release would have been: "39 glaciers in Montana have shrunk in size since 1966, the biggest shrinkage was 85%, the smallest shrinkage was x% and the average shrinkage was x%. Scientists believe this shrinkage is due to global warming and will continue at a shrinkage rate of x%/decade." No muss/no fuss, leave it to the public to put adjectives on the shrinkage.

Searching for the word "dramatically" in manuscript titles/abstracts using Pubmed results in 106,271 publications. So yes, it is a word commonly used in scientific publications (at least searching through abstracts/titles)
 
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Glacier is such a beautiful park. Its a long drive from DC, but we've driven there 3 times, once with the parents some years ago and then after high school a couple times with a bunch of buddies to backpack. I'll never forget those experiences. Next time I plan on taking the train from DC right to the park.

My parents on the Highland trail. They got me into backpacking.
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Glacier is such a beautiful park. Its a long drive from DC, but we've driven there 3 times, once with the parents some years ago and then after high school a couple times with a bunch of buddies to backpack. I'll never forget those experiences. Next time I plan on taking the train from DC right to the park.

My parents on the Highland trail. They got me into backpacking.
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One of my favorite Parks, Going to the Sun Road, underrated fishing , insane views and right next to one of my favorite roads, Highway 89. I love the place.
 
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I think what he objected to was the use of "dramatically" which is clearly not a scientific term. I have done engineering reports and never use adjectives like that in them. It is completely useless in the context of engineering/science and should be left for entities like the press, advocacy groups or political parties.

A better press release would have been: "39 glaciers in Montana have shrunk in size since 1966, the biggest shrinkage was 85%, the smallest shrinkage was x% and the average shrinkage was x%. Scientists believe this shrinkage is due to global warming and will continue at a shrinkage rate of x%/decade." No muss/no fuss, leave it to the public to put adjectives on the shrinkage.

If the USGS says it's dramatic then it probably is.

It's amusing how people who go on about political correctness enforce their own standards when it comes to climate science.
 

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Searching for the word "dramatically" in manuscript titles/abstracts using Pubmed results in 106,271 publications. So yes, it is a word commonly used in scientific publications (at least searching through abstracts/titles)

Technically it appears you are correct and I was wrong. According to the site below, the words should be used sparingly.

My problem with the word is that it seems subjective (what is the scientific threshold % needed for "dramatically"? It seems like it is being used to convince me how I should react to the data. Objective facts are far more persuasive in my opinion, at least they are for me. The 85% number speaks pretty fucking well for itself don't you think?

Academic writing is usually unadorned and direct. Some adverbs of frequency (such as always and never), superlatives (which are terms that indicate something is of the highest degree, such as the best), and intensifiers (which are words that create emphasis, such as very) are often too dramatic. They may also not be accurate – you’re making a significant claim when you say something is perfect or never happens.

These terms do sometimes add value, but try to use them sparingly.

Very, extremely, really, too, so (or any other intensifier)

https://www.scribbr.com/academic-writing/taboo-words/
 
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