Trump 2.0, The Loyalty Test. Required and Enforceable.

sportage

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You know its coming if Trump is reelected.
The questioning of citizenship and of ones loyalty to the United States Of America.
Are you a loyal legal American US citizen? Then prove it. Donald Trump will demand it.
How?
Well, every citizen will be required to fill out a simple questionnaire to remain on file.
Either when casting a vote in person, or when renewing your drivers license, or when applying for a loan, or when having any interaction with any institution federal. local, or financial.

Your response and the requirement that you indeed have responded to the Loyalty questionnaire will show proof of compliance on ones drivers license via a little mark indicating the loyalty pledge has been recorded and in the system associated to name and social security number.
And, proof of compliance showing on ones car registration form.
And, proof of compliance showing on ones car license plate via a loyalty sticker.
And,, proof of compliance on ones food stamp card.
And, proof of compliance on every Social Security card issued.
All banks will comply with this new loyalty requirement by adding a symbol of compliance to credit cards, to debit cards, and to paper checks.
Yes, even on all passports and all insurance forms.
Dare you leave your house, then everyone will know whether you are a loyal US citizen, or nay.

During Trump 2.0 everyone will be required whenever anyone does any business what so ever with any government agency, or with any financial institution, they will be required to sign the Trump loyalty test and also provide proof at that time of signing of legal US citizen via a birth certificate and or other acceptable legal document.
Regardless, everyone will be required.
Donald Trump will insist on this. And the US Supreme Court will rule this requirement as fully legal and justified for national security.
And.... Donald Trump will require this simply because he can.
And you thought Donald Trump was finished with coming up with these new bright ideas?
You were thinking of Trump 1.0. Now we're about to enter Trump 2.0. Something we have never experienced before, or that no one could have ever imagined.
Think about it.
Is this so outrageous? And why would anyone think it were?
After all, the loyalty of congress is on Trump's side, the loyalty of the US Supreme Court is on Trump's side and will be even more so after justice RBG has been replaced during Trump 2.0.
So... all that is needed is for every US citizen to also comply by signature.

No, I don't want to frighten anyone, I just want people to be prepared.
Loyalty is a very big thing for Donald Trump. And legitimacy of citizenship is also a very big thing for Donald Trump.
Need we forget... Trump cabinet members have been fired for refusing allegiance of loyalty to Donald Trump.
Heads of institutions have been fired for refusing allegiance of loyalty to Donald Trump.
And.... we have families caged in kennels for failing the citizenship test.
Actually, is Trump 2.0 so far fetched?
Most of this Trump 2.0 has already started. Has already been taking place. This is only the tip of the ice berg, as it were.

If we have learned anything from this guy, surely we should have at least learned this.
And remember the film INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS? Think of this as the same theory.
Should any person not have "the mark" , not have their proof of loyalty displayed on their drivers license, or on the car tags, or on a social security card, or on every legal form used in any transaction, then watch out!
They will point at you, mouth wide opened, and loudly announce to all in the room, TRAITOR! COMMIE! ILLEGAL! NON-AMERICAN! ANTI-LOYALIST!
The loyalty police will be summoned, you arrested and locked up. Locked up until you either explain why you have yet to comply? Or, if you are indeed a loyal legal US citizen?
Trump 2.0.
The fun has only begun.
 
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Vic

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Another swing and a miss
I agree his post is more than a bit hyperbolic, but suppose (for the sake of argument) that something like were to become govt policy, would you oppose it?
What if it were introduced much more subtly, like that anyone who disagrees with the President on any single policy or issue must not like America, or not be happy with America, and therefore should leave? Would you oppose that?
 

Vic

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He goes a little further off the rails with every post. Don't know if he's trolling, troubled, or looking for acceptance.
Or maybe he's genuinely concerned that the President has strongly implied that anyone who doesn't agree with his policies must be unhappy with America and should leave.
 

cytg111

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And how would you guys describe a Nuremberg 2.0 event? Common, you know its coming.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Or maybe he's genuinely concerned that the President has strongly implied that anyone who doesn't agree with his policies must be unhappy with America and should leave.

He's concerned and so are those who believe that Area 51 needs to be stormed. Every time I see something like this I reflect how it makes others who have legit concern look crazy by association.
 

trenchfoot

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Trump has tossed aside Law and Order, the Constitution, ethics, morals and common sense in order to force the way the gov't works to the way he's used to running his businesses into the dirt.

He lies on a daily/hourly basis and gets away with it. His lies are supported and widely disseminated by a very powerful media outlet. He has the support of corporate interests and a donor class that thinks nothing of corrupting our politicians for accomplishing personal agendas. Remarkable in it's hypocrisy, he is also fervently supported by tax exempt conservative religious organizations. He is championed by every racist homophobic organization in the nation and a base that encourages him to pursue a despotic form of gov't. He has all the makings that a dictator needs to grasp complete control of his country including the guiding hand and deep resources of our most dangerous adversaries in Russia.

However:

The only thing holding Trump back from truly being the Omnipotent One who admittedly knows all/sees all/is a stable genius are those of whom reject his policies, his criminality, his methodology and his gross incompetence and they just so happen to be the majority of the nation as evidenced from Trump's loss of the popular vote by over three million people who see him for the person he is in the real world and not the one he's conjured up via medieval alchemy for himself and his followers.

From the angle I just described, Sportage's comments have a ring of truth about them. Let's not dismiss what there is in his commentary that is proven fact along with whatever else others may choose to disagree with.

Just say'in.
 
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Vic

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He's concerned and so are those who believe that Area 51 needs to be stormed. Every time I see something like this I reflect how it makes others who have legit concern look crazy by association.
I agree. Which is why I tried to tone down his concern to something a bit less hyperbolic. Because, make no mistake, there is a legitimate slippery slope here.
 

Greenman

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He's concerned and so are those who believe that Area 51 needs to be stormed. Every time I see something like this I reflect how it makes others who have legit concern look crazy by association.
I don't buy guilt by association thinking. Sportage has some issues that he needs to work through, but that doesn't mean everyone that hates Trump has the same problem.
We like to paint with a very broad brush around here, search out the worst examples of side x and pretend that it's representative of the entire group. I have to believe that most people are brighter than that.
 
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Jhhnn

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I don't buy guilt by association thinking. Sportage has some issues that he needs to work through, but that doesn't mean everyone that hates Trump has the same problem.
We like to paint with a very broad brush around here, search out the worst examples of side x and pretend that it's representative of the entire group. I have to believe that most people are brighter than that.
I don't buy guilt by association thinking. Sportage has some issues that he needs to work through, but that doesn't mean everyone that hates Trump has the same problem.
We like to paint with a very broad brush around here, search out the worst examples of side x and pretend that it's representative of the entire group. I have to believe that most people are brighter than that.

Well, yeh, but it doesn't take "most people" to win the Electoral College, oddly enough...
 
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Moonbeam

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I don't buy guilt by association thinking. Sportage has some issues that he needs to work through, but that doesn't mean everyone that hates Trump has the same problem.
We like to paint with a very broad brush around here, search out the worst examples of side x and pretend that it's representative of the entire group. I have to believe that most people are brighter than that.
I always feel that while you are scrupulously honest in what you express, even in cases where I personally feel you are quite mistaken, I generally get the impression that part of why we differ on things is because you have a darker opinion of the honesty and integrity of other people than I do. It is thus with some surprise, here, when you say 'you have to believe that people are brighter than that' I find myself in disagreement. The only thing that I can think of that would account for how that comes to pass is my opinion that how conservatives arrive at their opinions has little to do with intelligence and more to do with ego self protection, that their 'smarts' are dedicated to self deception rather than logical fact analysis. I think that it a truly honest person isn't characterized by intellect but a willingness to entertain facts even when they create emotional pain.

In that regard, it seems to me, for the sake of developing this notion further, that honest people may be honest because they are already feeling pain, that life had already thrown suffering in their path, either at a time when they had been previously much better off, or to a degree beyond the capacity of psychological repression to fully suppress.

Two things the Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible and the Apocrypha say that might have bearing here:

Seek and you will find

Did you but suffer you would not suffer
 

Greenman

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I always feel that while you are scrupulously honest in what you express, even in cases where I personally feel you are quite mistaken, I generally get the impression that part of why we differ on things is because you have a darker opinion of the honesty and integrity of other people than I do. It is thus with some surprise, here, when you say 'you have to believe that people are brighter than that' I find myself in disagreement. The only thing that I can think of that would account for how that comes to pass is my opinion that how conservatives arrive at their opinions has little to do with intelligence and more to do with ego self protection, that their 'smarts' are dedicated to self deception rather than logical fact analysis. I think that it a truly honest person isn't characterized by intellect but a willingness to entertain facts even when they create emotional pain.

In that regard, it seems to me, for the sake of developing this notion further, that honest people may be honest because they are already feeling pain, that life had already thrown suffering in their path, either at a time when they had been previously much better off, or to a degree beyond the capacity of psychological repression to fully suppress.

Two things the Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible and the Apocrypha say that might have bearing here:

Seek and you will find

Did you but suffer you would not suffer
You could be right. Though I haven't found much correlation between political beliefs and intelligence.
I've found it's actually fairly easy to get just about anyone to see the other side of any issue when speaking face to face. The reason is the emotion is removed from the equation, the slogans are gone, the sound bites don't exist. That sort of exchange is whats wrong with social media, why it will always be an us vs them platform. It's always emotion driven, and it's anonymous, you never have to face the person at the other end of the wire, you don't have to look at a human.
 

Moonbeam

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You could be right. Though I haven't found much correlation between political beliefs and intelligence.
I've found it's actually fairly easy to get just about anyone to see the other side of any issue when speaking face to face. The reason is the emotion is removed from the equation, the slogans are gone, the sound bites don't exist. That sort of exchange is whats wrong with social media, why it will always be an us vs them platform. It's always emotion driven, and it's anonymous, you never have to face the person at the other end of the wire, you don't have to look at a human.
Well thanks for restoring by belief that you usually think darker than I do, because I hold out hope that even on social media people who are honest, it seems to me, will not forget that on the other end of opinions that don't accord with their own, is a human being who, for the most part, assumes, if often incorrectly, that their opinion is founded in the good. I believe that most people intend to be good even though they may fail to appraise that good with true honesty.

I thought I posted this yesterday and didn't.