Truck/SUV drivers and complaniners [sic]

[upsciLLion]

See? What'd I tell you. Bunch of elitist sillybobs that are right no matter what.

 

[vi edit]

I just rent the truck from Menards for $18 for 75 minutes. That takes care of everything that my wagon can't carry.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I'm not one to complain about gas prices, but the next time one of you four banger driving elitist corndogs needs a couch, chair, etc. moved, feel free to tie it on top or drag it behind your car.

:thumbsup:

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I'm not one to complain about gas prices, but the next time one of you four banger driving elitist corndogs needs a couch, chair, etc. moved, feel free to tie it on top or drag it behind your car.

I mentioned this once in an anti-SUV thread. They always come calling you, ole buddy, ole pal, when they need you. Otherwise, "you suck for driving an SUV."

Fvck em... fvck em I say.

I bought it because it can be practical... nobody says everything should be practical 100% of the time. Don't get me started on NEEDs either (I live for that argument). It's there when we need it, plain and simple.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Hmm lets think here.
Last time I needed a vehicle larger than my car to carry something: 2003
Cost of Uhaul: $40

Approximate total miles driven since then: 70,000
Cost of driving my subcompact car for 70,000 miles divided by 32mpg times an average of $1.80 a gallon: $3937.50

Cost of driving an suv or truck at an average of 18mpg for 70,000 miles at an average of $1.80 a gallon: $7000.00

Cost of driving my car and uhaul rental: $3977.50
Total savings over driving an suv or truck: $3022.50

So this means I've saved about $1500 a year before the savings of lower cost vehicle. My car cost $16,000 new. A similarly equipped SUV or truck would cost me at minimum $26k after some hard bargaining. Over 5 years not even including interest that's an extra $2000 a year.
Figure an extra $200 for maintenance and I'm looking at a grand total of
Drum roll please...
...
$3700 a year!

$3700 a year extra to operate a vehicle that I'll probably need once every 3 years?!?! You have go to be kidding me.

You can get full size pickups that don't drink anywhere near that much gas.

18 mpg? Show me one full size pickup that averages 18mpg. You are either ignorant or a liar.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Hmm lets think here.
Last time I needed a vehicle larger than my car to carry something: 2003
Cost of Uhaul: $40

Approximate total miles driven since then: 70,000
Cost of driving my subcompact car for 70,000 miles divided by 32mpg times an average of $1.80 a gallon: $3937.50

Cost of driving an suv or truck at an average of 18mpg for 70,000 miles at an average of $1.80 a gallon: $7000.00

Cost of driving my car and uhaul rental: $3977.50
Total savings over driving an suv or truck: $3022.50

So this means I've saved about $1500 a year before the savings of lower cost vehicle. My car cost $16,000 new. A similarly equipped SUV or truck would cost me at minimum $26k after some hard bargaining. Over 5 years not even including interest that's an extra $2000 a year.
Figure an extra $200 for maintenance and I'm looking at a grand total of
Drum roll please...
...
$3700 a year!

$3700 a year extra to operate a vehicle that I'll probably need once every 3 years?!?! You have go to be kidding me.

You can get full size pickups that don't drink anywhere near that much gas.

18 mpg? Show me one full size pickup that averages 18mpg. You are either ignorant or a liar.

It's unfair for Freejack2to restrict his comparison to fullsize pickups vs. his rather fuel efficent car. I drive a 1992 Ford Ranger 4x4 which has been getting as of late 21 mpg. Not bad for a 13 year old car that has LT235 75R15s on it. Either way, here's a list from FuelEconomy.Gov for 2005 model pickups. Please reference the freeway mileage as I doubt Freejack2 averages 35,000 miles per year of urban driving.

See here.

 

[boredhokie]

But how am I going to get little Connor and Ashleigh to soccer practice safely? I need my Denali!

 

[Ornery]

Yeah, that's hilarious :roll:

 

[ponyo]

Some people actually use their vehicles for work.

 

[Sheepathon]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: Ornery
Pwnt

• Of note, occupants of the lightest cars have dramatically higher death rates. Also, most significantly from a safety point of view, heavy pickups and SUVs are associated with far higher death rates in the OTHER vehicle than in themselves, or than death rates caused by comparably heavy cars.
  
  SUV-to-car collisions are six times more likely to kill the occupants of the smaller vehicle when compared to a normal car-to-car collision. You may be safer inside an SUV, but you're at greater risk of killing others in the event of an accident.

Would be terribly remiss if a statistical insurance professional did not mention that the IIHS data shown in the above link is 10 years old (though it was compiled in 1998), and is hardly conclusive for the present considering the improvement in passenger car safety since such a time.

Until such a professional can be located, I suppose I will have to do.

service with a smile

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: Ornery
Pwnt

• Of note, occupants of the lightest cars have dramatically higher death rates. Also, most significantly from a safety point of view, heavy pickups and SUVs are associated with far higher death rates in the OTHER vehicle than in themselves, or than death rates caused by comparably heavy cars.
  
  SUV-to-car collisions are six times more likely to kill the occupants of the smaller vehicle when compared to a normal car-to-car collision. You may be safer inside an SUV, but you're at greater risk of killing others in the event of an accident.

Would be terribly remiss if a statistical insurance professional did not mention that the IIHS data shown in the above link is 10 years old (though it was compiled in 1998), and is hardly conclusive for the present considering the improvement in passenger car safety since such a time.

Until such a professional can be located, I suppose I will have to do.

service with a smile like that of a donut

Say whaaaaaaaat

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon

service with a smile

Originally posted by: Ornery
...the IIHS data shown in the above link is 10 years old...

Yes, things have changed SO much since then... :roll:

Playing Games With SUV Safety Statistics

• What's more, buried deep in NHTSA's data is the truth about which vehicles are the safest to drive. By far the riskiest vehicles on the road are very small cars. Their driver fatality rate per billion vehicle miles from 1996 to 2000 in 1996 to 2000 models was 11.56. Small cars followed with a rate of 7.85. Large SUVs, by contrast, are among the safest vehicles around, finishing right behind minivans and large cars with a rate of 3.79.4
  
  Common sense tells us why this is so. In any collision -- whether with a tree, a telephone pole or another vehicle -- the laws of physics apply. The heavier the vehicle is, the better protected are its occupants, and the more likely they are to survive an accident.

Are SUVs too dangerous for the road? 5-Mar-2003

• ...What's more, the aggressive design of SUVs ensures passenger cars come off worst in collisions with them. Last month, researchers at the State University of New York at Buffalo, found that in crashes between small cars and large SUVs, the risk of death was 24 times greater in the car.

What You Need to Know About Passenger Cars and Safety Posted on 2/8/05

• ...Cars' lower center of gravity also makes them more nimble and capable of avoiding a collision, as do their smaller size and typically shorter braking distances.
  
  Unfortunately, a couple of the car's advantages are also its disadvantages: The lesser weight and lower height make them vulnerable to heavier, higher vehicles. Historically, pickups and truck-based SUVs have not been as meticulously designed to absorb crash energy, but their weight and height make up for it in crashes with lighter vehicles, whose occupants pay the price.
  
  Aside from the weight issue, it's a matter of compatibility: A high truck can ride up over the most robust part of a car's frame structure, bypassing its crumple zone and plowing into its cabin.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Hmm lets think here.
Last time I needed a vehicle larger than my car to carry something: 2003
Cost of Uhaul: $40

Approximate total miles driven since then: 70,000
Cost of driving my subcompact car for 70,000 miles divided by 32mpg times an average of $1.80 a gallon: $3937.50

Cost of driving an suv or truck at an average of 18mpg for 70,000 miles at an average of $1.80 a gallon: $7000.00

Cost of driving my car and uhaul rental: $3977.50
Total savings over driving an suv or truck: $3022.50

So this means I've saved about $1500 a year before the savings of lower cost vehicle. My car cost $16,000 new. A similarly equipped SUV or truck would cost me at minimum $26k after some hard bargaining. Over 5 years not even including interest that's an extra $2000 a year.
Figure an extra $200 for maintenance and I'm looking at a grand total of
Drum roll please...
...
$3700 a year!

$3700 a year extra to operate a vehicle that I'll probably need once every 3 years?!?! You have go to be kidding me.

You can get full size pickups that don't drink anywhere near that much gas.

Where?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/type/truck/l...tid=edmunds.n.typeindex.content.num2.1.*

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Ornery

No doubt most here are capable of reading a reply and associating such with the appropriate earlier response. Perhaps a smaller (but certainly noteworthy) sect is further capable of recognizing the diference between an expert in a certain field offering a comment, and a zealot capable of finding internet factoids to support a view.

I suppose one could liken the situation to a man arguing with his doctor regarding his terminal illness, citing a few facts he googled stating a contrary opinion to the professional's diagnosis. In the end, the terminal man is unfortunately still dead wrong.

One primary fact that should be noted (and often is not) in the above information would be this:

• "At the moment, SUVs don't have to meet the bumper standards and bumper heights that cars do."

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I'm not one to complain about gas prices, but the next time one of you four banger driving elitist corndogs needs a couch, chair, etc. moved, feel free to tie it on top or drag it behind your car.

i take the money i save on gas and rent a moving truck the one time a year i need one, and i don't have to drive a POS the rest of the year or get my sh!t dirty in the back of that POS.

YAY!

 

[amol]

No thank you.

On Monday (4th of July), my family was driving in our 2 door convertible (which we fit into without compromising comfort) and as we were going down Highway 101 South near Pismo Beach, we saw what looked like a late model Chevy Suburban Extended (longer than the normal one), which was traveling north, hit the center barrier and rollover 4½ times.

I don't think those people made it.

 

[Nebben]

I know at least three people I can think of immediately that fit the following descriptors:

1) Drive a recently purchased SUV
2) Live 10-20 miles out of town
3) Have absolutely no use for an SUV
4) Complain about how much they have to spend on gas.

Okay, if you NEED a truck or SUV to serve some purpose, then it sucks for you. But if someone is going to be a moron and buy a vehicle that gets crap for gas mileage that they don't use for its intended function, I can't seem to feel a lot of sympathy for him...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Topic Title: Truck/SUV drivers and complaniners [sic]

I'm not one to complain about gas prices, but the next time one of you four banger driving elitist corndogs needs a couch, chair, etc. moved, feel free to tie it on top or drag it behind your car.

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Hmm lets think here.
Last time I needed a vehicle larger than my car to carry something: 2003
Cost of Uhaul: $40

Approximate total miles driven since then: 70,000
Cost of driving my subcompact car for 70,000 miles divided by 32mpg times an average of $1.80 a gallon: $3937.50

Cost of driving an suv or truck at an average of 18mpg for 70,000 miles at an average of $1.80 a gallon: $7000.00

Cost of driving my car and uhaul rental: $3977.50
Total savings over driving an suv or truck: $3022.50

So this means I've saved about $1500 a year before the savings of lower cost vehicle. My car cost $16,000 new. A similarly equipped SUV or truck would cost me at minimum $26k after some hard bargaining. Over 5 years not even including interest that's an extra $2000 a year.
Figure an extra $200 for maintenance and I'm looking at a grand total of
Drum roll please...
...
$3700 a year!

$3700 a year extra to operate a vehicle that I'll probably need once every 3 years?!?! You have go to be kidding me.

Pownage :thumbsup: :laugh:

Cost me $42 to fill up my econo box today and have to fill up three times a week so my gas expense has gone from about $60 a week to $136

I can imagine what the Denali and Hummer drivers will be paying :laugh:

 

[Ornery]

One primary fact that should be noted (and often is not) in the above information would be this:

"At the moment, SUVs don't have to meet the bumper standards and bumper heights that cars do."

That was noted, with links, and IS EXACTLY the point. I put more value on safety than gas mileage, but suit yourself... oh, and like m2kewl, continue to borrow your friend's Avalanche. Just hope he never sees this topic!

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Ornery
That was noted, with links, and IS EXACTLY the point. I put more value on safety than gas mileage, but suit yourself...

The point the above quotation (which was extracted from the "Are SUVs too dangerous for the road?" article) should illustrate is that any attempt to compare vehicle safety of two vehicles that aren't subjected to same laws is an exercise in futility, regardless of how skewed the data may appear at first glance. By this logic (or lack thereof), you should really drive a backhoe, as it is much safer than an SUV. Until the law makers legislate a standard for these vehicles, you can fully expect the IIHS (and other groups touting statstical "studies", such as Consumer Reports, etc) to continue to report these vehicles are supposedly "safer".

oh, and like m2kewl, continue to borrow your friend's Avalanche. Just hope he never sees this topic!

Though it bears of little importance to this topic, I do not believe I've mentioned once what I drive or do not drive in this thread.

As it turns out (and most that know me well enough here know this), I no longer own any vehicle (I sold my last car prior to moving to Nyc, which was a passenger vehicle and not of the SUV variety), and instead have opted to rent the very few times a car is absolutely required. In the years that have passed since parting with a full time vehicle at my disposal, I have yet to come across a single instance where I've needed to rent an SUV, nor borrow one.

 

[Platypus]

My pants get tight every time I read a ActuaryTm post

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
My pants get tight every time I read a ActuaryTm post

I just experienced what no individual should ever be subjected to: the lovely burning sensation of laughter-projected Diet Mountain Dew being shot through one's nostrils.

Thank you, Drew.

 

[MeanMeosh]

next time i want to move a couch, i'll do this:

http://www.onlyprem.com/albums/couch/DSC02581.sized.jpg

just like i did the last time i needed to move a couch =P


also, you can't see it, but i have a 2000 pound trailer hitch installed on the back of the camry that i used to attach a uhaul trailer to and haul all my stuff up from texas to delaware (1600+ miles). if it comes to to hauling something bigger / heavier than what the hitch can handle, i'll get it delivered as odds are i can't load or unload it by myself anyway.

edit: there's a transmission cooler installed to take the extra stress =P

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
My pants get tight every time I read a ActuaryTm post

I just experienced what no individual should ever be subjected to: the lovely burning sensation of laughter-projected Diet Mountain Dew being shot through one's nostrils.

Thank you, Drew.

Oh Michael, I'm sure it rivals the burning senesation in my loins

 

[Ornery]

The point the above quotation (which was extracted from the "Are SUVs too dangerous for the road?" article) should illustrate is that any attempt to compare vehicle safety of two vehicles that aren't subjected to same laws is an exercise in futility, regardless of how skewed the data may appear at first glance. By this logic (or lack thereof), you should really drive a backhoe, as it is much safer than an SUV. Until the law makers legislate a standard for these vehicles, you can fully expect the IIHS (and other groups touting statstical "studies", such as Consumer Reports, etc) to continue to report these vehicles are supposedly "safer".

Skating around the FACTS I presented, are we? Tiny cars are less safe, unless they're equipped with roll cages. This is a FACT, whether it's from a 10 year old study, yesterday's study, or no study at all. It's simply a FACT!

The Consumer Reports and IIHS try mightily to point out the rollover statistics in SUVs as evidence of their LACK of inherent safety. Believe me, they're on YOUR side, but the laws of physics prevail no matter how skewed their reporting is.


...i have a 2000 pound trailer hitch installed...

That's a damned good idea, and I'll probably have to do that myself when my van gives up the ghost. Either that, or buy another one, which I'm not very inclined to do. Vans are too hard to work on, and pickups are way too expensive used. Guess I'll have to borrow my brother's.