Troubling new details about the violent police raid in Iowa

Oldgamer

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There are a couple of news articles that came out with new light on this and here is one in addition to the one below that I copied and pasted.

Some Are Saying This Surveillance Video Is Evidence of the Alarming Militarization of Local Police Forces in America

A dramatic raid by local police in Ankeny, Iowa, was captured on surveillance video last Thursday — and it has critics warning of the continuing militarization of police departments in America.

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Police were executing a search warrant at the home of a Des Moines family, where they thought they’d find $1,000 in merchandise purchased with a stolen credit card. Given the nature of the crime, some people, including the family, are asking if the excessive force was necessary.


The Des Moines Register has the latest on that volatile police raid that I wrote about yesterday. The raid was apparently for suspected credit card fraud. Ankeny Police Department officials are now speaking out. But I’m not sure they’re helping their cause:

Ankeny police are defending the raid, saying they needed to use that approach to protect officers’ safety.

Ankeny police Capt. Makai Echer said officers knew at least one person in the house had a permit to carry a firearm. She said the department isn't currently investigating how officers handled the search, nor does the department have a written policy for executing warrants.

So they see nothing wrong with how the raid was handled, and the department has no stated policy for executing warrants. All of that is troubling enough. (The lack of a written policy also suggests a lack of training.) As is the “officer safety” justification, as if that in itself trumps the rights of the people inside the house.

But citing the fact that one of the occupants in the house — Justin Ross — had applied and was approved for a gun permit is probably most disturbing of all. First, hardened criminals who are a threat to kill cops tend not to be the sort of people who bother with permits, or to register their firearms with the government. I don’t think that point needs more elaboration.

Second, Ross was not one of the suspects for whom the police were looking. It seems highly, highly unlikely that had the police knocked on the door, announced themselves and waited for someone to answer it, a law-abiding citizen like Justin Ross would be a threat to suddenly decide to kill some cops. But it’s much more likely that Justin Ross might feel the need to defend himself upon hearing unidentified parties break down two doors, followed by the sight of several armed men in his home. Indeed, that’s very nearly what happened.

Finally, think of the implications if this were the policy everywhere. It would mean that if you’re a gun owner, the police could cite that fact in and of itself as justification for them to violently tear down your door, rush your house with guns and point those guns at your family — even if their warrant is for a nonviolent crime, even if it’s for a white collar crime, even if you've dutifully registered your gun with the government. In fact, given that Ross’s permit is how the police knew he was armed in the first place, especially if you've dutifully registered your guns with the government. If I were a gun owner in Des Moines, I’d be asking some questions.

Aside from the gun issue, the paper also asked William Moulder, Ankeny’s police chief, about how the officers dealt with the family’s security cameras:
Covering or disabling cameras is standard procedure for officers executing a search warrant or raid to ensure people inside can’t monitor approaching officers, Moulder said.

I don’t know that this is true. It might be reasonable to cover an outside camera as they approach if they had a no-knock warrant. But this wasn’t a no-knock raid. They had a knock-and-announce warrant. The entire point of a knock-and-announce warrant, at least in theory, is to give the occupants of the home the opportunity to answer the door peacefully, thus avoiding damage to their property and violence to their persons. (As I pointed out in the previous post, in many jurisdictions the knock and announcement have become perfunctory, but at least we’re supposed to have that protection.)
Even conceding the point, I’m not sure how it justifies ripping a camera from the wall, or covering a camera once they’ve already broken into the house. That suggests more that they didn’t want an independent account of how the raid was conducted. And with good reason.

CORRECTION: The police cited Ross’ permit to carry a gun, not to own one. So the language in my post about him registering his gun with the government is technically incorrect. But the general point still stands. It was Ross’s decision to get a government-issue permit that the police say justified the raid.

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TechBoyJK

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Yea, that's fucked up. And I'm glad it's being made into an issue. I'm sure that PD is sweating it right now.
 

SlickSnake

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I love the way they pound on the door or wall a few times, then immediately smash the door open afterwards. This is to satisfy the warrants terms, since this wasn't technically a no knock raid. Yet they never allow anyone enough time to actually open the door in these types of raids, because they break the door down immediately afterwards. How is anyone supposed to be able to properly respond to a pounding or a knock on the door in less than a second, unless you are standing right next to the door? And if you are unlucky enough to be behind the door, then you will get a battering ram and door shoved in your ass, and they will be trampling all over you, or tase you and shoot you and kill you just for getting in their way.
 
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Kadarin

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Very disturbing story, and this is becoming a very real problem across the country.
 

SlickSnake

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All over 1000 dollars in stolen merchandise? Really?

Not to mention, you can't very easily flush a bunch of stolen charge cards down the toilet without stopping it up, so why didn't they show some some common courtesy and wait a minute for someone to open the door? These cops clearly don't think far enough ahead to wonder if they would like this done to themselves or someone they care about, do they? This shows a complete break down in both empathy and compassion. I used to think the solution to these problems was firing or demoting all the males to desk or support jobs and using only females as "peace officers", but there has been a rise in females abusing deadly force lately, so now, I'm not so sure what the solution to this rising police violence and aggression really is.

They did know a parole was living there, but that still don't warrant this type of overly militarized response for what is normally considered a civil court matter, unless they have some prior proof a violent felony was being committed there.

And even someone having a permit to legally carry a firearm also does not justify the police in taking these militarized actions, since they clearly knew he had one legally already.

And not having a policy for executing a warrant is the same thing as saying do whatever you want too, because we won't control it, or stop you, or punish you for it. Even if they are violating the terms of the warrants.
 
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waggy

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yeah. people have been saying this for a while. lots of times those guys get shouted down.

all of this over 1k in stolen property? lucky nobody got shot.
 

CycloWizard

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Another case of force being used to justify the availability of force. If such drastic measures were never used, then these guys would be out of their jobs. It's a conflict of interest all around.
 

HAL9000

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Sounds about right, if I was one of the police officers and I was doing a raid on a house with an armed suspect... I would want to be armed to the teeth.

If you have guns, they need to have guns. If you don't want them to have guns... stop having guns.
 

KB

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All they have to do is wait for the guy to leave his house and arrest him on his way to walmart. They then bring him home and ask him to open the door and conduct their search. How difficult is this? Why must everything police do be quick and dangerous, putting peoples lives, including their own at risk?
 

TeeJay1952

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Cops have been watching Cops too much. Try Andy Griffith show for a different take on peace officer.
 

BoberFett

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Sounds about right, if I was one of the police officers and I was doing a raid on a house with an armed suspect... I would want to be armed to the teeth.

If you have guns, they need to have guns. If you don't want them to have guns... stop having guns.

Go brush your teeth Limey, nobody cares what you think.
 

KB

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Sounds about right, if I was one of the police officers and I was doing a raid on a house with an armed suspect... I would want to be armed to the teeth.

If you have guns, they need to have guns. If you don't want them to have guns... stop having guns.

The point is, just because you have a gun, it doesn't mean it the first and only tool you use. Police have surveillance, time, money, planning and people. With all that you should be able to solve the problem with less force.
 

HAL9000

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The point is, just because you have a gun, it doesn't mean it the first and only tool you use. Police have surveillance, time, money, planning and people. With all that you should be able to solve the problem with less force.

I think even if they took time money and surveillance (which I'm sure would result in another thread here about the police state spying on it's citizens or some other deluded crap) and the end result is they needed to do a raid, they should be armed if the criminals are.