troublesome, kaveri will cost more than richland

[monstercameron]

http://www.cpu-world.com//news_2013...of_upcoming_AMD_Kaveri_and_Richland_APUs.html

with a price hike the value of the apu in terms of raw performance compared to discrete components will be even lower, which could be very troublesome.

~$27-50 higher doesn't sound so good...

 

[inf64]

Pre-order has always been jacked-up before. Why is this a surprise with kaveri?
The only problem will be if kaveri underperforms and costs more which is not likely to happen.

 

[NaroonGTX]

Preliminary pre-order prices are usually always higher than they realistically will be. I remember seeing the pre-orders for Haswell i3 being $160 and the unlocked i5 being $250. Don't forget the 290x pre-pre-order prices.

Not to mention how can anyone forget the AMD rep hinting that Kaveri would replace the 6800k in the $150 bracket? The 6800k and others have already received price drops quietly.

 

[mrmt]

http://www.cpu-world.com//news_2013...of_upcoming_AMD_Kaveri_and_Richland_APUs.html

with a price hike the value of the apu in terms of raw performance compared to discrete components will be even lower, which could be very troublesome.

~$27-50 higher doesn't sound so good...

AMD did the same with Bulldozer. The price crashed a few months after launch.

 

[NTMBK]

Inaccurate preorder price is inaccurate.

 

[Arkadrel]

Im fine with APUs going up in cost,
if it means AMD will finally make some that can atleast rival the low end discrete cards.

AMD needs to put on the big boy pants, and make a motherboard with GDDR5 main memory, and a beefy as hell APU.

(hint hint, make a PS4 version of a APU that can be sold to consumers that want PCs)

I thought Kavari would be the APU, id been waiting to see.
One that was finally so beefy youd notice it, and wasnt helded back by its memory bandwidth.

 

[NaroonGTX]

Onboard GDDR5 would drive up the costs too much. I think that's one reason the original version of Kaveri with GDDR5 was canned.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Onboard GDDR5 would drive up the costs too much. I think that's one reason the original version of Kaveri with GDDR5 was canned.

They can fit 8 GB GDDR5 in the PS4 at $399, and then it still also contains APU, motherboard, Blu-ray drive, HDD, PSU, chassis, controller, and so on.

 

[lopri]

Do these support 4K res yet?

 

[SPBHM]

They can fit 8 GB GDDR5 in the PS4 at $399, and then it still also contains APU, motherboard, Blu-ray drive, HDD, PSU, chassis, controller, and so on.

yes but 399 is much higher than a reasonable price for the APU + MB + Mem and Sony (buying a huge amount of GDDR5) makes a lot of money selling games, psn subscription, accessories... It's a different model...


as for Kaveri pricing, it can't be higher, 6800K was already $150...

 

[ShintaiDK]

Do these support 4K res yet?

I am sure Richland and Trinity supports 4K.

 

[mikk]

They can fit 8 GB GDDR5 in the PS4 at $399, and then it still also contains APU, motherboard, Blu-ray drive, HDD, PSU, chassis, controller, and so on.

That's why the PS4 manufacturing+BOM costs are almost as high as the selling price. They make big money with the games and not with the hardware itself. AMD can't apply the same business model to an APU.

 

[ShintaiDK]

They can fit 8 GB GDDR5 in the PS4 at $399, and then it still also contains APU, motherboard, Blu-ray drive, HDD, PSU, chassis, controller, and so on.

That 8GB GDDR5 is 88$ and thats wholesale chip price cost only.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Kaveri will cost the same as current APUs I am sure of. Perhaps with price index correction.

 

[inf64]

Or if Kaveri is not performing as we expect it can be priced even lower (provided 6800K and other Richlands move down on price too).

 

[SlickR12345]

They can fit 8 GB GDDR5 in the PS4 at $399, and then it still also contains APU, motherboard, Blu-ray drive, HDD, PSU, chassis, controller, and so on.

They don't make any profits on the console sales, if they do its minuscule and likely few dollars per console.

Sony makes money off of games and subscriptions and those types of stuff.

Consumer level costs for such a PC would likely be $600+OS+accessories.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I am sure Richland and Trinity supports 4K.

In theory, yes. But you need a mainboard with displayport to actually make use of that support. Such boards tends to be a bit on the expensive side (for an FM2(+) board, that is...).

 

[ShintaiDK]

In theory, yes. But you need a mainboard with displayport to actually make use of that support. Such boards tends to be a bit on the expensive side (for an FM2(+) board, that is...).

HDMI supports 4K as well doesnt it? Tho only 30hz.

 

[Fjodor2001]

They don't make any profits on the console sales

They don't make much money on selling DDR3/GDDR5 RAM either. The margins are low.

 

[Homeles]

They can fit 8 GB GDDR5 in the PS4 at $399, and then it still also contains APU, motherboard, Blu-ray drive, HDD, PSU, chassis, controller, and so on.

In addition to what the others have stated, Sony also has tremendous economies of scale.

 

[frozentundra123456]

AMD did the same with Bulldozer. The price crashed a few months after launch.

I agree. The final price will depend on how good the performance is. It it is overpriced initially, the cost will soon come down. Just look at the FX9370. It has dropped to 199.00 on new egg.

 

[inf64]

I agree. The final price will depend on how good the performance is. It it is overpriced initially, the cost will soon come down. Just look at the FX9370. It has dropped to 199.00 on new egg.

That is a recent price drop( recent like just happened). Yesterday I checked the prices of both 9370 and 9590 and 9370 was 299$...

 

[Insert_Nickname]

HDMI supports 4K as well doesnt it? Tho only 30hz.

Only on FM2+ boards unfortunately. Regular FM2 is limited to 1080 or 1200p. You can of course use the dual-link DVI port to get to 1600p, any higher and its all displayport.

I'm not sure what happens if you plug an FM2 APU into an FM2+ socket though. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could clarify... :hmm:

 

[Ajay]

Or if Kaveri is not performing as we expect it can be priced even lower (provided 6800K and other Richlands move down on price too).

What exactly are we expecting?

Slightly better CPU (5-8%, because of low clocks), better GPU (10-15%, no apparent turbo), much better MT (15-20% because of uArch improvements)?? I'm just guessing here.

 

[inf64]

What exactly are we expecting?

Slightly better CPU (5-8%, because of low clocks), better GPU (10-15%, no apparent turbo), much better MT (15-20% because of uArch improvements)?? I'm just guessing here.

I don't know but if it fails to be much faster (say ~10% faster overall in CPU and ~10-15% faster in GPU tasks) it will be regarded as failure in reviews. That's my opinion of course.