Tried Phoenix, going back to IE

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littleprince

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It's kinda nice, but annoying like heck. I'm definately going back to IE.

I personaly don't think its ready for prime time yet and heres why.

No idea why, but it keeps trying to take over as default browser. Even though its been told several times not too. In the preferences its not the defaulf MIME viewer for anything, but yet it takes over.

I miss my googlebar. The googlebar extension is lacking... The buttons for things like find in this site or the page rank are missing. Besides that, it doesnt show up in the extension list so can't be removed, which is kinda annoying, and probaly more attributable to blame google since I think they were the creaters.

Address bar bug. Start typing in the address bar, and some crap pops up at the top right below my buttons. Its as if its trying to auto fill in the url for me, but doesnt know where the address bar is. I'll get a screenshot of this soon. Ugly and annoying as hell.

Its not exactly light on the memory. Typicaly just browsing around, it takes about 30 mb just for having one window open. When going to sites to play games like pogo.com jumps to over 50mb.

Clicking on a .jpg link is annoying. I like the way IE just opens it in a new window. Phoenix opens a new phoenix window first, than asks what I would like to do with the file. Choosing phoenix as the program to open it with, and unchecking teh box to ask me everytime opens it, but as soon as I click another .jpg link it repeats. Clicking advanced and doing the same thing has the same result. HELLLO?!?? Why ask me if you dont listen? Besides, the advanced box is pretty redundant duh....

Themes are nice. Dont remember if mozilla supported that. Never was used to tabbed browsing with mozilla. The only thing I really like as a feature over IE are the user profiles. For instance, 1 profile for proxy, 1 for normal surfing etc.

Loading a phoenix window isnt exactly faster than an IE window, but the 6mb download was a nice change.

These are just my opinion. Flame if you must, but if its just a fanboy, look i'm so trendy opinion than well... If you have fixes/solutions to the above go ahead, post them and change my mind.

Edit: Webpage loading did feel very fast... Does phoenix use more than 2 simultaneous http connections to the server?
Edit2: Erg. its getting worse! Just tried a mpg. Does the same annoying thing of opening a new window and leaving it open for no reason. Selected windows media player, unchecked box for ask me everytime. Watched the move, closed WMP, and the extra window. Clicked link again, no new window thankfully, but opened in WINAMP. Wonderfullly smart. Besides that, after selecting the program to use the first time, returning to that popup box of what to do, the bottom of the content in the box is cut off.

Mozilla felt much more polished. Phoenix feels like a lite version that was just stripped too much to be usefull.
 
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LordJezo

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IE is built into windows and has no loading time.

Plus, when I am in any folder window all I need to do is type the URL in the address bar and it auto changes the window to an IE window.

Everythng else just isnt as convinent.

Plus, Windows Update only works with IE.
 
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littleprince

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I'm done trying. I've gone through several versions of mozilla, and netscape over the years. Used opera breifly, but I always go back to tried tested and true IE.

Theres nothing really majorly wrong with it's usability. The only feature I can say I wish it had that other browsers have is the user profile thing. And I use this rarely.

I think IE could be skinned? Can't remember. No big deal. I'm not the type that scours the net for new themes.
 
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Hubris

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I didn't like Phoenix mainly because I couldn't get the Favorites menu to show up on the left side. I've gotten used to it there.

I used Opera for a while, but really, IE is just a lot more convenient and Opera doesn't do anything IE can't, in my experience.

I'm using Avant Browser right now, which is just IE in a tabbed format. I like it a hell of a lot.
 
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TallBill

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Well i've tried opera/mozilla/pheonix and think they all suck. IE works just fine for me, and they didnt.
 
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RgrPark

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i tried opera and a whole bunch of pop ups got through...not good. I liked how you can have multiple windows though...
 
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StinkyMeat

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phoenix has the google bar. it's really nice.

also it sounds like your version is messed up...it's working beautifully for me on 2 machines, win98 and ME.
 
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n0cmonkey

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I just did a quick comparison for myself because the memory gripe always bugs me. I have 12 tabs open between two phoenix windows. It is taking about 38mB of memory as reported by task manager. I have had these windows open since atleast Friday evening.

I opened these 12 sites in IE windows (which was quite messy on my desktop and impossible to manage on the task bar I might add). They took roughly 27mB of ram. If you are scraping the bottom of the barrel to the point that 10mB of ram makes *that* much of a difference, get a new computer or get a better job so you can afford a better computer. Plus, those ie windows were fresh and unused, while, like I said, the Phoenix windows have been open since late Friday at the latest.
 
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opera 7.x is the best browser i have ever used, everything has worked (well except for embedded movies and quicktime stuff) but i rarely go to sites with stuff like that. tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, password manager, fast forward, rewind button, automatic photo gallery generator, google search bar, pop up blocking. refresh every X settings. skinnable, lite, if it crashes it remembers the last pages i was on, etc, etc ,etc



dam(opera)
 
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CraigRT

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I've used all kinds of browers, but at some point, always end up going back to IE... I really like IE6... no problems, used to it, near flawless.

I guess I'm stuck.
 
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thraxes

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Also use Opera7. Every now and then I find a piece of software that is worth me buying, Opera 7 is the latest in that relatively short list. I even got QT to work properly with it.

I just prefer it over IE for a few reasons: gestures are the cats ass, after a crash you can continue where you left off, the integrated google search field (I don't like the bar that come with IE) and most of all: fewer fscking pop-ups and no stupid selfinstalling active x crap.
 
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juiio

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Originally posted by: NokiaDude
Try out Opera 7.01, it's fast, small, and 1000x better than IE6!
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I think you have a typo. You meant "buggier", not "better" :)

 
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Ameesh

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I just did a quick comparison for myself because the memory gripe always bugs me. I have 12 tabs open between two phoenix windows. It is taking about 38mB of memory as reported by task manager. I have had these windows open since atleast Friday evening.

I opened these 12 sites in IE windows (which was quite messy on my desktop and impossible to manage on the task bar I might add). They took roughly 27mB of ram. If you are scraping the bottom of the barrel to the point that 10mB of ram makes *that* much of a difference, get a new computer or get a better job so you can afford a better computer. Plus, those ie windows were fresh and unused, while, like I said, the Phoenix windows have been open since late Friday at the latest.
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hahaha i love that line of reasoning, get a better job so you can afford a better computer to run a crappy browser. that argument is bullet proof. chalk one up for the open source guys. ;)
 
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n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I just did a quick comparison for myself because the memory gripe always bugs me. I have 12 tabs open between two phoenix windows. It is taking about 38mB of memory as reported by task manager. I have had these windows open since atleast Friday evening.

I opened these 12 sites in IE windows (which was quite messy on my desktop and impossible to manage on the task bar I might add). They took roughly 27mB of ram. If you are scraping the bottom of the barrel to the point that 10mB of ram makes *that* much of a difference, get a new computer or get a better job so you can afford a better computer. Plus, those ie windows were fresh and unused, while, like I said, the Phoenix windows have been open since late Friday at the latest.
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hahaha i love that line of reasoning, get a better job so you can afford a better computer to run a crappy browser. that argument is bullet proof. chalk one up for the open source guys. ;)
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If the difference was bigger than 10mB I might agree with you. But 10mB is nothing these days. The only two machines that would have problems with a 10mB difference are my p133 which is a firewall and my Sparcstation 10. IE would run on each of them, but with the rest of the OS in place they would be dog slow anyhow. And I think that if I used IE as much as I have been using Phoenix lately, the memory use would be about the same, or an exen smaller advantage for ie.
 
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Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: LordJezo
IE is built into windows and has no loading time.

Plus, when I am in any folder window all I need to do is type the URL in the address bar and it auto changes the window to an IE window.

Everythng else just isnt as convinent.

Plus, Windows Update only works with IE.
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Phoenix has a very small loading time. That's why I prefer it over Mozilla.

amish

 
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littleprince

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Phoenix loads faster than mozilla for me, unless I let Mozilla stay in the taskbar option thing, which I dont really like.

The version of Phoenix I was using was the last milestone version, it wasnt like a nightly build, so if that's not stable, I dunno which milestone would be. Unless they have a release candidate or an official stable version which I did not see.

10MB is small, but the smaller the better IMO. Did my computer choke coz of the 10mb? I doubt it.
Test bed= Dell Inspiron 8100 512 MB DDR Ram, P4 @1.8 and yes it was plugged in.

It just seems to me a lot of ppl are just bandwagon jumpers. Kinda like the kid in chat that just says stuff like AMD is the bomb, but doesnt know crap.

I did notice although Phoenix used about 5mb more ram running Larger java applets (games) performance of the game was slightly better.

And is it just me, or is it when your using a browser like Phoenix, theres a quick reply window at the bottom? Never noticed it with IE.
EDIT: Dang, that quick reply box does only show up in Phoenix for me and not IE. ANy reason for that?
 
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trek

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Originally posted by: littleprince

And is it just me, or is it when your using a browser like Phoenix, theres a quick reply window at the bottom? Never noticed it with IE.
EDIT: Dang, that quick reply box does only show up in Phoenix for me and not IE. ANy reason for that?
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i think theres a little red arrow at the top you can click and a floating quick reply box pops up with IE...

 
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