Tried Kubuntu Linux, now going back to windows

mrscintilla

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Installed ubuntu this morning. Here is my story.

Video:

Tried to install nvidia own driver for 4 hours and never worked; the kernel source compilation was required and it never recognized my newly installed kernel source code and gcc. (and yes I played with all the settings accordingot nvidia Readme). Finally read a ubuntu guide and installed the default nvidia video driver. As it stands now, there is no overclock setting or any other nvidia settings that I can see or tweak. I was able to get the wide-screen at 1680x1050 though, following the guide. I don't undertand why the developers could not have taken the simple steps of the guide and made the system easier in the first place, at least for the particular tasks listed in there.

Multimedia:

Tried to install w32codecs to no aviail, even following every step of the guide. No such package was found in apt-get. Without the intuitive respository installation available, i downloaded bunch of dlls in a package called "essentail...." still Has no clue where to stick the files in. And the default media player kaffeine keeps crashing on me after I click on file, open, to open a new video, when I have a video going.

My conclusion:

I know you will say that give it more time, read couple manuals, and follow each and every readme that a third party app comes with. But that would just drive home the exact problem I see with Linux. It tries to do a lot but fails on the most basic--an intuitive user interface. Heck if all the distributions would stick on a common short set of well-thought user interface ideas, it won't matter if the hardware compatability suffers a little. The one thing Ubuntu does great is the apt-get, synaptic/kynaptic, which function like Windows Update with a repository twist. But come on, if Linux developers are justing catching up with windows, at least catch up on what windows and mac sells--the interface. Here is my test of whether to go back to linux ever again---If the next version of any linux distribution can allow a complete noob to install MOST third party driver appts with simple clicks or yes/no questions.

I understand a poor college student who has nothing but free time on his hands will revel in the sea of hundreds of console commands and their power-inducing parameter variations, and the self-comforting knowledge of the path names to the deep corners of the file system. To me, it's clear why 99% of pepole still prefer a conformist windows way... Yes, yes. Linux will probably dominate the market because it is free. But as someone already pointed out, it's free in its current form IF you time is essentially free. A big IF that is.





 

Crusty

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You might be better off trying suse linux instead of something debian based...
 

sourceninja

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sounds like your mistake was trying to use the nvidia drivers from their website.

you should of used apt to install nvidia drivers (apt-get install nvida or nvidia-kernel I can never remmeber which). Then just reboot and you have the most current nvidia drivers. As for multimedia, never really needed more than libdvdcss myself (i only use divx and watch dvd's) so I can't help you there.
 

TonyRic

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if you go to the mplayer site and download the codecs and follow the instructions (unzip and copy to /usr/lib/win32 as root) then you will have the codecs installed and usable by xine and mplayer and any derrivitive works.
 

hopejr

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I agree with you somewhat, mainly that Linux can be an a$$ to configure. However, you just need to get the right distribution. I've tried Mandrake and Fedora (was Red Hat) and they are quite easy to set up and configure. But I'm surprised that Ubuntu was such a pain. I've only ever heard good things about it.
 

nweaver

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it's the gui requirment that is driving me away from windows....why do I need to run a high overhead GUI on my headless <Insert service here> Server?

And since when can you install windows, then click yes a few times to have all updated drivers? And when applications update, how do you get updates? Oh yeah, you usually have to go download them, (A site for each program, a site for the OS, a site for HW/Drivers) and then extract and install. I just emerge world and go home for the day.

Find an admin for large companies, and you will find someone who uses CLI, even to manage windows stuff. One of the biggest selling points for windows 2003/2000 is the INCREASED CLI options for scrtipting/maintance.

What is harder, configureing a .conf file, or going into the GUI regedit or regedt32 to fix a problem?

I would have to say, that you would be upset if a unix admin installed windows server for a few hours, found it too hard to do things and said that "That's the problem with windows, and why it sucks". You need to use it/work with it for an extended period of time. I think Mac OSX is kinda lame, but that's because I have spent about 3 hours total on it, so I reserve and withhold my very uniformed and probably inaccurate assesment of OSX.


I think Ford's suck, cause I drove one for 2 hours and it broke down on me, and I couldn't get it fixed, therfore all fords suck, everyone trade in for Chevy....(If that isn't a trollbait statement)
 

hopejr

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Originally posted by: nweaver
it's the gui requirment that is driving me away from windows....why do I need to run a high overhead GUI on my headless <Insert service here> Server?

And since when can you install windows, then click yes a few times to have all updated drivers? And when applications update, how do you get updates? Oh yeah, you usually have to go download them, (A site for each program, a site for the OS, a site for HW/Drivers) and then extract and install. I just emerge world and go home for the day.

Find an admin for large companies, and you will find someone who uses CLI, even to manage windows stuff. One of the biggest selling points for windows 2003/2000 is the INCREASED CLI options for scrtipting/maintance.

What is harder, configureing a .conf file, or going into the GUI regedit or regedt32 to fix a problem?

I would have to say, that you would be upset if a unix admin installed windows server for a few hours, found it too hard to do things and said that "That's the problem with windows, and why it sucks". You need to use it/work with it for an extended period of time. I think Mac OSX is kinda lame, but that's because I have spent about 3 hours total on it, so I reserve and withhold my very uniformed and probably inaccurate assesment of OSX.


I think Ford's suck, cause I drove one for 2 hours and it broke down on me, and I couldn't get it fixed, therfore all fords suck, everyone trade in for Chevy....(If that isn't a trollbait statement)

:thumbsup: Lot's of people make judgements very quickly and I'm glad you pointed that out. Linux is a good OS, it's just you need to be patient and find a distro that works for you. My old laptop had problems with different distributions, but I finally found one that worked ok (only problem was the sound card, but that didn't bother me because I was dual booting with Windows). I've got the best of both worlds now with my Mac, but that's beside the point. You need to spend more time with it before making judgements. Indeed, it took me a few attempts to get used to Linux, but in the end I got it worked out and used it as my main OS for a few months until I did something really stupid on it and screwed it up (trust me, it was my fault, not the fault of Linux).
If you want to go back to Windows, there's nothing wrong with that either. Pick the OS that's best for you.
 

nweaver

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IMHO...if you try something as complex as an OS, and then make a public opinion based on your experience with a totally different operating system after only a few hours, or even a few days, then you are opening yourself up for snide comments and flames. I don't know anything about Longhorn, I installed a beta build a few months back for about 2 days. I keep my mouth shut, as I didn't have time to form an accurate assesment.
 

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Originally posted by: mrscintilla
But as someone already pointed out, it's free in its current form IF you time is essentially free. A big IF that is.

The corollary to this would be if you don't want to learn computers -- use Windows. For the average schmuck this is good advice.

Linux is not for everyone. If you're not the RTFM type, don't bother. OTOH, if you're one of those people who gets a tiny chemical stimulant everytime you learn something new, Linux will make you very, very happy.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: mrscintilla
Here is my test of whether to go back to linux ever again---If the next version of any linux distribution can allow a complete noob to install MOST third party driver appts with simple clicks or yes/no questions.

Those drivers come from nVidia. Talk to nVidia. They write them and package them. nVidia could come up with something to make it easier to install them (or put the source out there under an acceptable license and not require any of this bullshit). Complain to nVidia.

Other than that, we don't care. :beer::D
 

nweaver

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I hate Windows because my Via chipset has a crappy driver install....


Figure out how to make them install, right a shell script and then post it for others. That is what linux is all about, learning what it's doing, learning how to make that easier, and then sharing your knowledge.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: nweaver
I hate Windows because my Via chipset has a crappy driver install....


Figure out how to make them install, right a shell script and then post it for others. That is what linux is all about, learning what it's doing, learning how to make that easier, and then sharing your knowledge.

An installer shell script would be easy to write. I'd do it myself, if someone sent me hardware to test it. ;)
 

nweaver

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comeon, you need hardware to write stuff for it? You must suxxors then. ;)

Someone send it to you, then you send it to me, I bet I can do it in fewer lines :D
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: nweaver
comeon, you need hardware to write stuff for it? You must suxxors then. ;)

Someone send it to you, then you send it to me, I bet I can do it in fewer lines :D

You probably can, I suck at scripting. :beer:
 

nweaver

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So do I, but I am learning every day. Problem with me is I learned some bash (enough for a few cool tricks) and then started learning perl. Now I can't remember all my bash stuff, like for loops and things like that, I keep using Perl commands. I figure if I can only remember one, Perl it will be.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: nweaver
So do I, but I am learning every day. Problem with me is I learned some bash (enough for a few cool tricks) and then started learning perl. Now I can't remember all my bash stuff, like for loops and things like that, I keep using Perl commands. I figure if I can only remember one, Perl it will be.

I try to avoid most bash-isms and focus on standards instead. Perl seemed like too much of a bastard child before for me to want to learn it at the time. I just keep little notes and samples of scripting stuff around, to spark the memory. ;)
 

nweaver

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I am great at copying someones script, then changing 3 things for what I need. My company thinks I can work magic. I tell them it's the virgin goats that I sacrifice in the empty cube...
 

Need4Speed

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Originally posted by: nweaver
I am great at copying someones script, then changing 3 things for what I need. My company thinks I can work magic. I tell them it's the virgin goats that I sacrifice in the empty cube...

well at least your honest...
 

Mesix

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I'm suprised no one recommended NVclock for overclocking an nvidia card in linux.
 

Aenslead

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I agree with you wholehartley.

I tried Mandrake 10.1 for a week, and I found problems quite similar to yours, though I dedicated more time to it.

Windows is plain easy. I like that.
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: nweaver

I think Ford's suck, cause I drove one for 2 hours and it broke down on me, and I couldn't get it fixed, therfore all fords suck, everyone trade in for Chevy....(If that isn't a trollbait statement)

That is the reasoning of 98% of consumers when using a product. If that brand fails to deliver, it will be like that in the mind of the consumer untill the end of days.