Treasury Department Orders AIG to Repay Taxpayers for Bonuses

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The Treasury Department will order embattled insurance giant American International Group Inc. to repay U.S. taxpayers up to $165 million that the company is giving employees as bonuses, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said late Tuesday.

Acknowledging "considerable outrage" about the bonus payments, Geithner said AIG will pay the Treasury an amount equal to the payments, and the Treasury will deduct that amount from the $30 billion in government assistance that will soon go to the company.

"We will impose on AIG a contractual commitment to pay the Treasury from the operations of the company the amount of the retention awards just paid," Geithner said in a letter to congressional leaders.

Geithner is using the controversy over employee pay at AIG to press Congress to work with the Obama administration to shore up regulations of the financial industry.

The treasury secretary, who has been criticized for his handling of AIG's employee bonuses, said Tuesday in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that "we should not lose focus on the larger issue it raises."

"This situation dramatically underscores the need to adopt, as a critical part of financial regulatory reform, an expanded 'resolution authority' for the government to better deal with situations like this," Geithner says in his letter.

He also outlines in the letter how the administration learned of the $165 million in bonuses and how it is responding.

AIG has been the recipient of more than $170 billion in federal aid, part of a effort to rescue the giant insurance company from collapse. The federal government now holds a 80 percent stake in the company, further fueling outrage over the bonuses that were mandated by employee contracts that predated the bailout money.

Despite the outrage in Washington and across the country since news broke Saturday about the bonuses, President Obama is standing behind Geithner. White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel categorically dismissed to the Associated Press on Tuesday any suggestion that Geithner was in trouble, and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that Obama has "complete confidence" in Geithner.

Gibbs, during his daily news conference, didn't give an explanation why President Obama did not find out about the $165 million in bonuses until last week, but later Tuesday, a senior administration official provided a timeline of events that coincided with the outline provided by Geithner in his letter.

Click here to read a PDF of Geithner's letter.

The timeline says Geithner learned of the bonuses on March 10 and, after expressing his outrage to AIG officials and researching the government's options, notified the White House of the bonuses on Thursday, two days later.

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo added to the outrage on Tuesday when he said his office had found that 73 employees at AIG received bonuses of $1 million or more, with one receiving more than $6 million. Cuomo, who is launching an investigation into the company, reported the latest findings in a letter to Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House financial services committee.

Lawmakers, meanwhile, expressed outrage on Capitol Hill about the bonuses, even as they tried to explain a provision included in the $787 economic stimulus package passed by Congress last month that seemed to give AIG a loophole for doling out the bonuses.

The amendment, meant to restrict executive pay for bailed-out banks, included an exception for "contractually obligated bonuses agreed on or before Feb. 11, 2009." This would seem to exempt the AIG bonuses that lawmakers and President Obama are looking to recover.

Gibbs said the Obama administration has taken "extraordinary actions" to protect taxpayers in whatever ways it can and will work "as quickly as possible" with Congress to recoup the AIG bonuses.

"I think the secretary of treasury took extraordinary steps based on contracts that were in existence in April of last year in order to do all that he could to protect the taxpayer," Gibbs said.

Republicans have sharply criticized Geithner after learning the bailed-out insurance company was distributing the bonuses. House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said the administration is in "disarray."

Like the administration, House and Senate lawmakers are scrambling to find ways to block or recoup the AIG money. But they've expressed doubt about the ability of the White House to handle the issue.

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., suggested Tuesday that Geithner does not have a grasp on the AIG matter.

"Did Secretary Geithner know and look the other way?" said Shelby, the ranking Republican on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.

"I think Secretary Geithner does not have his hands around the details of this, and if he does, then there's a lot more questions to be asked," he said.

Gibbs was peppered with questions at his daily briefings Monday and Tuesday on why the administration didn't act earlier -- such as when it was offering another $30 billion to the company in early March.

Gibbs said Monday, "Based on what I read in the newspaper," the administration learned about the bonuses last week. He declined to offer a timeline on Tuesday.

Obama said Monday he's instructed Geithner to use the government's leverage to pursue ways to "block these bonuses."

"This is not just a matter of dollars and cents. It's about our fundamental values," Obama said


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Why do we keep this company afloat? If it's a too big to fail corporation, we should be breaking it into pieces and selling off the parts.
 

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Chances are....the insurance you pay for is provided through AIG.

On that note, if I could get my hands on the CEO/Executuves....I'd rip them all 2 new assholes each.

Enron......50x over.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why do we keep this company afloat? If it's a too big to fail corporation, we should be breaking it into pieces and selling off the parts.

That's why Liddy was made CEO last year in the first place...to cinch off the profuse bleeding in the Financial Products division and carve off pieces of the company to sell.

Unfortunately for him the downturn and subsequent freezing of the debt markets made purchasing even the valuable parts of AIG for reasonable values impossible for anyone.

He's being hung out to dry on this bonus business which his predecessor agreed to and the government knew about but didn't stop until they realized the magnitude of the PR problem.
 

palehorse

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Good.

That said, I think we need to cut off the tap and ask for the entire original amount back... all $180+ billion of it. These pathetic viral bailouts will be the death of us. :|

oh, and you might want to add a comment or two in the OP before the thread gets locked for lack of poster commentary... ;)
 

sciwizam

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Good.

That said, I think we need to cut off the tap and ask for the entire original amount back... all $80+ billion of it. These pathetic viral bailouts will be the death of us. :|

oh, and you might want to add a comment or two in the OP before the thread gets locked for lack of poster commentary... ;)

Might want to add 100 to that. :(
 

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Sorry but this is bogus,...

This amounts to less than 0.1% of money given, insignificant in overall terms.

This is nothing compared to the amount of pork in the last spending bill by congress,... start there if anything.

This is due to contracts made well before the crap hit the fan,... would lawsuits have been better?

It is scary that the government is going to go in and tax/penalize very select and specific people for perceived injustice (especially when congress does the same crap itself). It is a horrible and scary precedent being set if they do so,.... where they can go after anyone for any reason,... oh sorry Mr Gates,... "you have the richest man on earth tax levied this year,...it is only 75% of holdings" or whatever.

The government cannot impose sanctions after the fact,.. they cannot agree to something, have a bill or contract stating this is the terms, then retroactively change those conditions (well I guess they can,... since they are going to,... but shouldnt),.... that basically says they are above any agreements, contracts, documents,... and this is the foundation of America,.. what those documents, agreements and contracts say and represent,....

I am outraged over congress more than AIG

 

cubby1223

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Why do I have this gut feeling that we taxpayers will be screwed out of much more $$ from mismanagement of the "stimulus bill" or the omnibus spending bill because congress is over-focused on recovering a mere ~$170 million from AIG? Oh, I guess we have Joe "The Sheriff" Biden on that case...
 
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So they're giving less than one tenth of one percent of the bailout money back. Meanwhile 73 AIG employees walk away with $1M+ bonuses. The outrage isn't about the absolute value of the money given away, it's about rewarding people who failed so miserably that they led a company to lose a historically unprecedented amount of money by making them millionaires. Anyone who is placated by this is an imbecile. The people who received the bonuses should be hunted down and forced to give THAT money back. The money wasn't earned.
 

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Why make AIG pay the bonus back? They pay the $170million back, they will only need $170million+ more to keep the business going.

What Treasury Department (maybe even IRS) need to do is go after those fvckers who have the audacity to take the bonus after they mess the company up so bad. Oh and fire the fvcker who made the decision to give out those bonus while they are at it.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
So they're giving less than one tenth of one percent of the bailout money back. Meanwhile 73 AIG employees walk away with $1M+ bonuses. The outrage isn't about the absolute value of the money given away, it's about rewarding people who failed so miserably that they led a company to lose a historically unprecedented amount of money by making them millionaires. Anyone who is placated by this is an imbecile. The people who received the bonuses should be hunted down and forced to give THAT money back. The money wasn't earned.

Outrage is one thing. But also realizing that there are far more important battles to be fought, involving many magnitudes in value greater than these bonuses, is another thing. Leading 300 million people with pitchforks is _never_ a good idea, no matter how outrageous the crimes are.
 

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Fvcking joke. I want to be sure I understand this right.

US gov gives $30B to AIG, AIG bonuses out $165M and then gov demands back $165M and thus being paid back by its own money we are to presume that AIG has made amends? This is grossly inferior to the idea of 100% tax on these bonuses, which truly gets at the heart of the matter.
So they're giving less than one tenth of one percent of the bailout money back. Meanwhile 73 AIG employees walk away with $1M+ bonuses. The outrage isn't about the absolute value of the money given away, it's about rewarding people who failed so miserably that they led a company to lose a historically unprecedented amount of money by making them millionaires. Anyone who is placated by this is an imbecile. The people who received the bonuses should be hunted down and forced to give THAT money back. The money wasn't earned.
Exactly.
Leading 300 million people with pitchforks is _never_ a good idea, no matter how outrageous the crimes are.
It can have its ups. I have thought from the getgo too much is being made of this, but if the gov is going to deal with it, deal with it don't pretend to deal with it via this stupid approach.
 

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The problem is not so much with AIG as it is with the government in general.

You are about to "loan" billions to a corporation that is crying if they dont get this money they will die off.

what should one of the top 3 questions that should be asked?

I'll take "Where is this money going?" for $400 Alex.

Out of all those bozos in congress not one fucking person could take to the time to ask that question?

either:

a) they didn't want to know

b)they knew but did not want it to come out too soon

c) they were just too damn stupid to ask

This whole thing was a blitzkrieg shoved down everyones throat just to get it done and worry about the repercussions later.....well guess what folks....it's later.
 

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They should call the entire 160 Billion dollar loan if AIG refuses to cancel ever last bonus.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Why do I have this gut feeling that we taxpayers will be screwed out of much more $$ from mismanagement of the "stimulus bill" or the omnibus spending bill because congress is over-focused on recovering a mere ~$170 million from AIG? Oh, I guess we have Joe "The Sheriff" Biden on that case...

This is a nice political duhversion from the trillions they are spending. Ironically it was the very same politicians that wrote law that enabled AIG to do this that are now yapping their mouths off. Did they not know this was going to happen when the stimulus bill was written? And why should be trust them in the future? Fucking idiots in congress. Can a congress go negative on approval rating?

 

LegendKiller

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Who gives a flying fuck through a rolling donut about $170MM. What I want answers and accountability for is us sending tens of billions overseas to SocGen, Calyon, Deutsche Bank, among other foreign banks.

This bonus bullshit is just a distraction while billions in taxpayer dollars are raided by foreign banks.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Who gives a flying fuck through a rolling donut about $170MM. What I want answers and accountability for is us sending tens of billions overseas to SocGen, Calyon, Deutsche Bank, among other foreign banks.

This bonus bullshit is just a distraction while billions in taxpayer dollars are raided by foreign banks.

They owed them money? Isn't that why they're hemmoraghing (sic?) money, because they lost on bets and have to pay out claims? Besides, what difference does it make whether those they owe are foreign or domestic?
 

txrandom

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Who gives a flying fuck through a rolling donut about $170MM. What I want answers and accountability for is us sending tens of billions overseas to SocGen, Calyon, Deutsche Bank, among other foreign banks.

This bonus bullshit is just a distraction while billions in taxpayer dollars are raided by foreign banks.

They owe them money for the insurance policies they bought. Why shouldn't they be repaid?
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Who gives a flying fuck through a rolling donut about $170MM. What I want answers and accountability for is us sending tens of billions overseas to SocGen, Calyon, Deutsche Bank, among other foreign banks.

This bonus bullshit is just a distraction while billions in taxpayer dollars are raided by foreign banks.

They owed them money? Isn't that why they're hemmoraghing (sic?) money, because they lost on bets and have to pay out claims? Besides, what difference does it make whether those they owe are foreign or domestic?

They didn't pay out claims. They had to post collateral against those deals because the non-existent market says they're worth $0.50 on the $1.00.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Who gives a flying fuck through a rolling donut about $170MM. What I want answers and accountability for is us sending tens of billions overseas to SocGen, Calyon, Deutsche Bank, among other foreign banks.

This bonus bullshit is just a distraction while billions in taxpayer dollars are raided by foreign banks.

They owed them money? Isn't that why they're hemmoraghing (sic?) money, because they lost on bets and have to pay out claims? Besides, what difference does it make whether those they owe are foreign or domestic?

They owed these people with bonuses money also. Same fricking thing. The only difference is retention bonuses and most of those people are contractually obligated to stay a certain period of time.

Why bitch about 170mm when that isn't even the problem?
 

Craig234

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I'm not usually a big fan of Charlie Rose, but he had an interesting segment tonight on AIG, including the former chairman of AIG.

Lots of interesting explanations about the issues that clarified some things.

It's not online yet but should be within a day, March 17 show.

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