Transcript: CIA Director Defends Iraq Intelligence

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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This is for the people who actually wish to discuss what Tenet really said in his speech. Anyone else can stay in the thread that doesn't give the real story.

We concluded that in some of these categories Iraq had weapons, and that in others where it did not have them, it was trying to develop them.
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Let me be clear: Analysts differed on several important aspects of these programs and those debates were spelled out in the estimate.

They never said there was an imminent threat. Rather, they painted an objective assessment for our policy-makers of a brutal dictator who was continuing his efforts to deceive and build programs that might constantly surprise us and threaten our interests. No one told us what to say or how to say it.
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So much for the accusation of pressure from the Whitehouse - no?;)

Oh, and this part is quite good(it follows from above):
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How did we reach our conclusions? We had three streams of information; none perfect, but each important.

First, Iraq's history. Everyone knew that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons in the 1980s and 1990s. Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against Iran and his own people on at least 10 different occasions. He launched missiles against Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel.

And we couldn't forget that in the early 1990s, we saw that Iraq was just a few years away from a nuclear weapon. This was not a theoretical program. It turned out that we and other intelligence services of the world had significantly underestimated his progress.

And finally, we could not forget that Iraq lied repeatedly about its unconventional weapons.
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Read the whole thing before twisting "imminent threat" like the other thread did.:)

CkG
 

chess9

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CAD:

I have some swamp land down the street for sale. I'll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge. Mail your check today so you don't miss out on this bargain. :)

Sheezh....the guy is covering his butt and everyone knows it and almost nobody-I include a lot of Republicans-believe this guy. My son the Republican just called me from his cell phone and laughed his butt off. (My son was a poli sci major I'm sorrry to say. Yes, I failed miserably as a parent. :) ) I just got an email from my training buddy the Fascist and he thinks all of this (including the interview on Sunday) means Bush is in deep trouble.

Anyway, Tenet gives no details. Just blather and generalities. Well, the assessments weren't based on blather and generalities-probably-and if they were his head should roll.

-Robert
 

chess9

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And, the American people voted here, more or less, on Tenet:

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Moonbeam

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The same intelligence was available to Clinton and Gore. Neither of them were committed to Project for a New American Century. Neither of them went or called for war. Bush, the monster, took us into an illegal war of conquest on a false pretext that was obviously false five minutes into the war. Bush has made of this wonderful country an evil agresive state. He is responsible, out of lust for power and glory, for the deaths of hundreds of american soldiers and thousands of innocent lives. By supporting Bush you are as guilty of this continuing murder and the corruption of your nation.

Remember. The people who tell you will look like traitors because they show you yourself. Listen to Anne Coulter, you know she's right.
 

Corn

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You know Moonie, how come I don't remember you decrying Clinton for his illegal and agressive war in Serbia? That you pick and choose your evil based upon whom ordered the evil merely speaks of your own evil.

You have no care for the innocent dead other than to suit your own political agenda. Feigning compassion where none exists is despicable behavior Moonie. There is no way you could convince me of your "purity" without evidence to the contrary. What you say today is betrayed by your silence of yesterday.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.
 

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Why don't people try reading the transcript and talking about what was said instead of spouting off about something not talked about within it.

Chess9 - So we can't believe him because he is just covering his butt, but in the "I don't have a clue" thread about one sentence of his speach - everyone seems to take it as gospel?

You may all start to read the transcript.....now.

CkG
 

Corn

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What grounds did Clinton give for Serbian Action?

Does it make any difference Moonie? Serbia was clearly not an imminent threat to our safety.
 

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Originally posted by: Corn
What grounds did Clinton give for Serbian Action?

Does it make any difference Moonie? Serbia was clearly not an imminent threat to our safety.

Exactly - it wasn't a threat to our safety and we shouldn't have gone. But we'll just forget about that....we have a Republican we can try to blast for doing it.;)

Anyway - there was some pretty good stuff that came out of this Tenet speach and questions afterwards. More to come when I can gather and parse the info.:)

CkG
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: chess9
CAD:

I have some swamp land down the street for sale. I'll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge. Mail your check today so you don't miss out on this bargain. :)

Sheezh....the guy is covering his butt and everyone knows it and almost nobody-I include a lot of Republicans-believe this guy. My son the Republican just called me from his cell phone and laughed his butt off. (My son was a poli sci major I'm sorrry to say. Yes, I failed miserably as a parent. :) ) I just got an email from my training buddy the Fascist and he thinks all of this (including the interview on Sunday) means Bush is in deep trouble.

Anyway, Tenet gives no details. Just blather and generalities. Well, the assessments weren't based on blather and generalities-probably-and if they were his head should roll.

-Robert

President Bush: CAD

Cad: Yes, Mr President?

President Bush: Do you see that Cliff 20 paces in front of you?

Cad: Yes, Mr President.

President Bush: CAD, walk forward 21 paces.

CAD: Yes, Mr President.


 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: chess9
CAD:

I have some swamp land down the street for sale. I'll throw in the Brooklyn Bridge. Mail your check today so you don't miss out on this bargain. :)

Sheezh....the guy is covering his butt and everyone knows it and almost nobody-I include a lot of Republicans-believe this guy. My son the Republican just called me from his cell phone and laughed his butt off. (My son was a poli sci major I'm sorrry to say. Yes, I failed miserably as a parent. :) ) I just got an email from my training buddy the Fascist and he thinks all of this (including the interview on Sunday) means Bush is in deep trouble.

Anyway, Tenet gives no details. Just blather and generalities. Well, the assessments weren't based on blather and generalities-probably-and if they were his head should roll.

-Robert

President Bush: CAD

Cad: Yes, Mr President?

President Bush: Do you see that Cliff 20 paces in front of you?

Cad: Yes, Mr President.

President Bush: CAD, walk forward 21 paces.

CAD: Yes, Mr President.

Read the transcript.....or go fill out some job applications.

CkG
 

Corn

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Imaginary friend: Dave....

Mcowen: Yes?

Imaginary friend: You're smart.
 

maluckey

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Cad, I watched it live, and read the text, so I have had some time to think about it.

From an intelligence standpoint, all was about what I'm used to. You use the information you have seen in the past, and compare it to what you hear in the present, to make an educated guess as to what the future holds. From this you can get a fairly representative view of what may be going on. It's not perfect, and you do have to assume at times. The point he made was easy for even the doubters to understand.

Tenet made the point that no intelligence is 100 percent until after the fact of it's hands on examination. I agree. He also made the point that if you ignored Iraq's past actions, and declarations, you would be grossly negligent. I agree.

The only issue that I have is that we publicly went forward with this intelligence before the invasion. It gave the Iraqi government plenty of time to destroy the evidence of it's intent, and the documents showing chain of operational command. The evidence of systematic destruction was found by U.S. troops, and other intelligence specialists.

I do feel that the sensationalism (For lack of a better term) was not really needed. You don't need to sell a war on a brutal dictator. The current administration would have done good to list the previous administrations intel among the reasons for invasion. There was plenty in the Clinton archives for this purpose. Bush then could have kept the current information that was not verifiable, until it had a chance to be field tested. If it tested good, then release it as needed to keep the hounds at bay.
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Why don't people try reading the transcript and talking about what was said instead of spouting off about something not talked about within it.

Chess9 - So we can't believe him because he is just covering his butt, but in the "I don't have a clue" thread about one sentence of his speach - everyone seems to take it as gospel?

You may all start to read the transcript.....now.

CkG

liberals never want to have a straight conversation, nor do they want to answer questions with a straight answer.
 

EagleKeeper

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Raw information is collected.

That information is condensed, sometimes with biases.

The abreviated info is the presented to upstairs who pick from it what they want.
Knowing what is desired affects the condensed version next time.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

But until you cook it, you will never know if it taste like a duck.
 

Red Dawn

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I saw his speech and it seems to me that the Dubs Administration didn't present the intel like Tenet presented it to them.
 

Gaard

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liberals never want to have a straight conversation, nor do they want to answer questions with a straight answer.

You've got to be kidding me! CAD, will you set this guy straight about labeling people who refuse to answer questions with a straight answer? ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Gaard
liberals never want to have a straight conversation, nor do they want to answer questions with a straight answer.

You've got to be kidding me! CAD, will you set this guy straight about labeling people who refuse to answer questions with a straight answer? ;)

No, it doesn't look like that is necessary;)

CkG
 

Hayabusa Rider

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A most interesting read.

Pretty much Tenet is walking a fine line. He knows his head is in the noose, but can't afford to wiggle out of it completely. I suspect the Agency knows they are screwed and powerless to prevent the butt pounding they are about to get courtesy of Bush's policy. Not surprising, and perfectly foreseeable. That it would be Kay that was the catalyst would have surprised me several months ago, but when he declared he was wrong about WMDs, it was easy to predict spin control would kick in. Tenet probably knew he was fried when Bush announced complete faith in the intel agencies. I almost feel sorry for him, but can't quite. Now Bush is in the position campaigning in NH and South Carolina, and doing spin control at the same time. Bush can't be happy about being backed into that corner.

Well, clearly the topmost level of the agency is in big trouble with complying with Bush and Co. It would be in Bush's interest to save Tenet by appointing those likely to give the Director a good tongue lashing, sacrifice a few analysts, but not shake things up too much. Hard to know though, because Bush has little sense. The Agency will take the bullet though, like they usually do.

Tenet made some good points, although they never hit home if they were ever considered at all. You ought not to start a war based on intelligence. Intel isn't proof. Intel is intel. It is a good political tool though, and got Bush exactly what he wanted, which was war.

The really interesting but largely unspoken factor in this situation is how Rummy and Dick fit into this. I am sure we will get to the bottom of that when Bush's hand picked commission gets to work
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Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Why don't people try reading the transcript and talking about what was said instead of spouting off about something not talked about within it.

Chess9 - So we can't believe him because he is just covering his butt, but in the "I don't have a clue" thread about one sentence of his speach - everyone seems to take it as gospel?

You may all start to read the transcript.....now.

CkG

liberals never want to have a straight conversation, nor do they want to answer questions with a straight answer.

Nothing like stereotyping an entire political group! Really shows your maturity level, doesn't it?
 

Bowfinger

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I think what Tenet did NOT say is interesting.

First, while Tenet said no one told them what to say, he did NOT say they weren't influenced to reach certain conclusions or to emphasize certain evidence. The boss doesn't have to explicitly tell you to say "xyz" when he says, "I believe xyz," then stands over your shoulder ridiculing everything you say or suggest that doesn't match. IIRC, that was the complaint of the various analysts, not that Cheney dictated what to say.

Second, while Tenet stands by their intelligence, I don't see where he supports the way this intelligence was interpreted and presented by the Bush administration. Tenet only says the CIA included all of the qualifications and caveats in their reports.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I think what Tenet did NOT say is interesting.

First, while Tenet said no one told them what to say, he did NOT say they weren't influenced to reach certain conclusions or to emphasize certain evidence. The boss doesn't have to explicitly tell you to say "xyz" when he says, "I believe xyz," then stands over your shoulder ridiculing everything you say or suggest that doesn't match. IIRC, that was the complaint of the various analysts, not that Cheney dictated what to say.

Second, while Tenet stands by their intelligence, I don't see where he supports the way this intelligence was interpreted and presented by the Bush administration. Tenet only says the CIA included all of the qualifications and caveats in their reports.

Indeed, and that is some of what I was getting at. I don't see Tenet saying explicitly that Bush correctly interpreted and acted upon the intel as Tenet says it was presented. That is effectively distancing himself from Bush. There is a great deal said in HOW it was said.
 

CaptnKirk

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So the CIA presents valid data based on what they know and are assumed to know.

2nd party takes that data and mines it for whatever supports thier agenda, and then
elects to discard that element that does not support a pre-agreed position.

This mined data is then presented both to Bush, who questions not what he wants to hear,
and the American Public which has been whooped up into a Lynch-Mob mentatlity
of 'We'll get them pesky Eye-Raks' by disinformation, false spin, rumor and inuendo.

Bush himself is responsible - he predetermined it, and he received what he wanted to hear.
Truth and fact be dammed, don't go against what the Bush Dynasty wants or pay the price.