[TPU]Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

[njdevilsfan87]

I like the 295X2 cooler as well. Its a worthy competitor to the Titan cooler as far as aesthetics go. But we haven't seen it yet on anything else other than the 295X2. Hopefully they modify and place that onto the 390 series, and also get a cooling solution underneath the shroud that performs well too (that's not just AIO - people need options).

 

[AtenRa]

Edit: Is the market research covering Q2 or Q3? The TPU article is not clear about this. Whichever it is, your citing of a TechSpot article from two days ago that's based on current prices really isn't relevant to the discussion.

I guarantee that AMD sold almost no R9 290/290X cards for at least three weeks, due to it's unwillingness to drop prices in the face of the GTX 970 release.

The research is for Q3 2014, you can see the research for Q2 2014 in the link bellow.

JPR Reports AMD jumps 11% in GPU shipments in Q2, Intel up 4%, Nvidia slips

 

[wand3r3r]

I'd take the 295x2 cooler over the titan cooler without question. The 690 could barely contain it's temperatures without hitting the throttling limit while that was merely two lower powered mid range chips. The fact the 295x2 cooler can handle the hot full size chips is impressive and guarantees that any single or dual gpu card would be very quiet.

I'm sure the cost is more than the titan cooler as well.

 

[Erenhardt]

Oh yea... Cooler aesthetics are a couse of amd marketshare loss!
*brings popcorn*
Go on... What about box design?

 

[RussianSensation]

Do you guys really think Maxwell already had such an impact in this study? It was released at the end of September, now we have less than a quarter later...

Oops. You are right. I just read the details more closely. The data is for Q2 2014. It has literally nothing to do with GM204. Wow, AMD really flopped then because in Q2 2014, 760/770/780/780Ti had very high prices. That's WAY worse than having Maxwell take market share. That means Q4 2014 will have Maxwell results in. In that case, the situation is catastrophic because in Q2 2014 NV's high prices made their cards completely unfavorable and yet consumers didn't think so. With 970 in Q4, AMD could lose a crazy amount of market share then. Sounds to me like AMD's strategy with OEMs is failing them then.

The OP really needs to change the title to reflect Q2 2014 which is a long time ago. Q3 already ended and we are half-way into Q4. Talk about a misleading title! Nowhere in the OP is Q2 even mentioned.

 

[RussianSensation]

The research is for Q3 2014, you can see the research for Q2 2014 in the link bellow.

JPR Reports AMD jumps 11% in GPU shipments in Q2, Intel up 4%, Nvidia slips

See what I mean. It's NOT from Q3 even, but Q2!

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...uarter-intel-up-11.6-amd-slips-7-reports-jpr/

Seriously, misleading title in the OP, and TPU reporting on 1.5 quarter ago data, long time ago reflected in AMD's financials.

^ This is from the time when 760 was $240-280, 770 2 GB was $330-350, 4GB was $380-450, 780 3GB-6GB was $460-550 and 780Ti was $650-700.

 

[exar333]

Oh yea... Cooler aesthetics are a couse of amd marketshare loss!
*brings popcorn*
Go on... What about box design?

No, but it's indicative of the PERCEPTION of the product. Just like Apple gets a lot of kudos for packaging a specs-wise very similar cpu/gpu into a better-built phone vs. Samsung (plastic, for example). It allows you to sometimes command a better price, but more importantly instill confidence with the consumer that your products are high-quality.

It is exactly why I stayed far away from the GTX 480; even with the stock cooler it throttled and ran way too hot. After market coolers did a better job, but AMD should NOT rely on their partners to make a SKU run silent and cool. The reference should do that from the start and provide room for the AIBs to improve even more on the design.

For better or for worse, AMD should also be smart enough to know that reviewing sites will often only select reference boards for reviews. That absolutely can put a damper on a otherwise really great product, if it doesn't accurately reflect the performance, temp and cooling abilities. That, in turn, translates to sales and market position.

 

[exar333]

See what I mean. It's NOT from Q3 even, but Q2!

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...uarter-intel-up-11.6-amd-slips-7-reports-jpr/

Seriously, misleading title in the OP, and TPU reporting on 1.5 quarter ago data, long time ago reflected in AMD's financials.

^ This is from the time when 760 was $240-280, 770 2 GB was $330-350, 4GB was $380-450, 780 3GB-6GB was $460-550 and 780Ti was $650-700.

Wow, shocking.....

As you said, wait until Q3/Q4 data comes out...

 

[tviceman]

I'm not extremely surprised, it seems like there are a lot of buyers that simply buy on brand name and not on value (FPS/$ etc.).

And smartly so. The fastest overall card isn't always the most important factor when buying a card because, as we have discovered, the swings in performance between cards varies heavily from game to game. John P. Gamer might want the fastest card for the game he plans on putting 500 hours into. That particular card might not be the best bang/$ overall, but it's the best for him.

Then there are game bundles.

Then there is external factors (Mantle, physx).

Then there is brand recognition / comfort.

Then there is power consumption requirements.

Then there is form factor considerations.

Then there is acoustic considerations.

Then there is what the video card looks like (I know, I know. Crazy, but it's still a factor to some).

You see that? If cheapest was always the best, this 2 man race would have ended a decade ago.

 

[lavaheadache]

Oh yea... Cooler aesthetics are a couse of amd marketshare loss!
*brings popcorn*
Go on... What about box design?

umm, aesthetics do play a very large role in what people purchase even with video cards. Many of us have windowed cases and care how tidy they look and whatnot. Also, I said looks and *performs* like crap.

 

[tviceman]

I'd take the 295x2 cooler over the titan cooler without question. The 690 could barely contain it's temperatures without hitting the throttling limit while that was merely two lower powered mid range chips. The fact the 295x2 cooler can handle the hot full size chips is impressive and guarantees that any single or dual gpu card would be very quiet.

I'm sure the cost is more than the titan cooler as well.

Case in point to my previous post - the 295x2 cooler is definitely more efficient and better at cooling but cannot go into a SFF case. I know I don't speak for all gamers (and I know damn well I am in the vast minority among the crowd here) when I say I prefer compact systems to 1990's oversized space-wasting tower cases.

 

[lavaheadache]

I'd take the 295x2 cooler over the titan cooler without question. The 690 could barely contain it's temperatures without hitting the throttling limit while that was merely two lower powered mid range chips. The fact the 295x2 cooler can handle the hot full size chips is impressive and guarantees that any single or dual gpu card would be very quiet.

I'm sure the cost is more than the titan cooler as well.

I have both 295x2 and Titan Z... I prefer the Z based on ease of fitment and cleanliness of install. Performance wise the x2 heatsink is the winner by far and large.

 

[Annisman*]

Don't tell me aesthetics don't matter ! And yeah I totally sprung for this one back in the day.

 

[AtenRa]

See what I mean. It's NOT from Q3 even, but Q2!

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...uarter-intel-up-11.6-amd-slips-7-reports-jpr/

Seriously, misleading title in the OP, and TPU reporting on 1.5 quarter ago data, long time ago reflected in AMD's financials.

^ This is from the time when 760 was $240-280, 770 2 GB was $330-350, 4GB was $380-450, 780 3GB-6GB was $460-550 and 780Ti was $650-700.

Ehm you cant have two different data for the same Quarter,

This one is from Q2 2014
JPR Reports AMD jumps 11% in GPU shipments in Q2, Intel up 4%, Nvidia slips

AMD’s shipments of desktop heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs increased 16.7% from the previous quarter, and increased 10.3% in notebooks. AMD’s discrete desktop shipments decreased 10.7% and notebook discrete shipments increased 30.6%. The company’s overall PC graphics shipments increased 11%.

The new one is from Q3 2014 (Q2 must be a typo because of different data beteween the first and the second article)

Nvidia jumps 13% from last quarter, Intel up 11.6%, AMD slips 7%

AMD’s shipments of desktop heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs increased 10.5% from the previous quarter, and decreased 16% in notebooks. AMD’s discrete desktop shipments decreased 19% and notebook discrete shipments increased 10%. The company’s overall PC graphics shipments decreased 7%.

Desktop APUs
Q2 Increase of 16,7% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 10,5% Q to Q

Mobile APUs
Q2 Increase of 10,3% Q to Q
Q3 Decrease of 16% Q to Q


Discrete Desktop
Q2 Decrease of 10,7% Q to Q
Q3 Decrease of 19% Q to Q

Discrete Mobile
Q2 Increase of 30,6% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 10% Q to Q

Overall PC Shipments
Q2 Increase of 11%
Q3 Decrease of 7%

 

[96Firebird]

Yeah I think the "Q2" from the article is a mistake, it is indeed data for Q3'14.

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/market_watch/

 

[AtenRa]

This one is Q1 2014 for enyone interested.

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...at-and-amd-loses-graphics-market-share-in-q1/

Look at Intels GPU market share within 3 Quarters in 2014 due to APUs.

Q1 2014

Q2 2014

Q3 2014

 

[ShintaiDK]

Those IGPs keep growing fast

Btw those Q2 and Q3 numbers dont mix. I guess its correction of the old Q2. (Last quarter.)

 

[RussianSensation]

Case in point to my previous post - the 295x2 cooler is definitely more efficient and better at cooling but cannot go into a SFF case. I know I don't speak for all gamers (and I know damn well I am in the vast minority among the crowd here) when I say I prefer compact systems to 1990's oversized space-wasting tower cases.

There is a big difference between Mini-ITX and MicroATX cases. With MicroATX like Lian Li V359, you can still fit 2X 295X2 + 5960X + CPU rad.

With MiniITX like Silverstone Raven Z, you can't fit ANY of that.
http://www.techspot.com/review/804-silverstone-raven-z-rvz01/

If you are in the 1% of PC gamers who buys a MiniITX case, then water cooling makes no sense for you. For 99% of PC gamers, standard water cooling > air cooling all things being equal.

You can run 3 powerful GPUs and have most of the heat exhausted through the rads. As far as noise and performance goes, 295X2 runs cooler and quieter than Titan Z despite using way more power. No one is advocating water cooling and no improvement in performance/watt. We are talking about water cooling + perf/watt should be the future of high end desktop PC graphics. It should have been standard starting with GTX480. You know that 290X and 780Ti used just as much power as the 480. I will say that if AMD doesn't use water-cooling for 390X I will be seriously disappointed.

In a mere 3-4 years, CL AIO wiped out most of the high end after-market CPU heatsink market. Obviously when water becomes more affordable, most people choose it over air cooling. If I was building a new rig today, I would probably go with a Swiftech H-220/240X since water is now so much better and cheaper that $100 Noctua Nh-D15 seems meh.

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Back to market share though, it's shocking that NV gained so much during the quarter when their entire $250+ Kepler line-up was grossly overpriced.

 

[lavaheadache]

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Back to market share though, it's shocking that NV gained so much during the quarter when their entire $250+ Kepler line-up was grossly overpriced.

image means a lot to some people. I really have enjoyed the Radeon product line throughout history but I do recognize when a swift kick in the pants is warranted.

 

[Rezist]

AMD's going to be in pain when Maxwell numbers show up.

 

[Rvenger]

AMD's going to be in pain when Maxwell numbers show up.

Hopefully that will be the "Swift kick".

 

[imaheadcase]

Sad news IMO. I truly wish AMD was doing better. nVidia monopoly just wouldn't be pleasant to anyone. I'm just glad I don't game that much anymore, I'd hate to fork out 780ti launch price for a videocard.

Why not? Still last you 3+ years before you need a new one.

 

[tviceman]

It's clear we have an entirely different philosophical view of this subject (if there is such a thing as philosophical views and PC gaming).

There is a big difference between Mini-ITX and MicroATX cases. With MicroATX like Lian Li V359, you can still fit 2X 295X2 + 5960X + CPU rad.

You're right - there is a big difference. The Lian Li V359 case isn't small by any stretch of the imagination.

With MiniITX like Silverstone Raven Z, you can't fit ANY of that.
http://www.techspot.com/review/804-silverstone-raven-z-rvz01/

Exactly. You also forgot to add that any PSU besides SFX factor won't fit either. Because 99.99% of all PC gamer's don't need dual 295x2's or a 240mm CPU radiator. And even the .01% who "need" it don't actually need it. They just want it for their emotional well-being. But the RVZ01 still accepts "normal" liquid cooling, which again, is more than enough for 99.99% of all PC gamers.

If you are in the 1% of PC gamers who buys a MiniITX case, then water cooling makes no sense for you. For 99% of PC gamers, standard water cooling > air cooling all things being equal.

I'm not the 1%. I'm the fast up and coming reality well past 1%. Valve designed their steam machine around a mini-itx configuration. Falcon Tiki, iBuypower Revolt, ASUS GR8 and G20, and more... all these machines are legitimately small and powerful. Then you have MSI, ASUS, Asrock, and Gigabyte building high-end mini-ITX motherboards. Cases? Bitfenix has several mini-ITX cases. Silverstone has several. Fractal Design has a few. Cooler Master has some. Lian Li does as well. 1% you say? That is an awfully large crowd going after an awfully small part of an already niche market.

If true SFF systems weren't a big deal, if they weren't selling well, then pages like this wouldn't exist: http://www.geforce.com/landing-page/geforce-small-form-factor-pcs

OR... you were massively exaggerating trying to get a point across and I failed at seeing your joke.

You can run 3 powerful GPUs and have most of the heat exhausted through the rads. As far as noise and performance goes, 295X2 runs cooler and quieter than Titan Z despite using way more power. No one is advocating water cooling and no improvement in performance/watt. We are talking about water cooling + perf/watt should be the future of high end desktop PC graphics. It should have been standard starting with GTX480. You know that 290X and 780Ti used just as much power as the 480. I will say that if AMD doesn't use water-cooling for 390X I will be seriously disappointed.

And I won't because I don't want to pay extra for unnecessary cooling. Design the chip properly, run it at acceptable levels, and apply proper air cooling. Let the AIB's get exotic. Water isn't needed on a 780 TI or 290x and paying a premium for a pump and coolant plus forcing customers into an unnecessary form factor is not a proper solution. The world is building more complex designs into smaller packages and the only people who are complaining about it are PC gamers.

In a mere 3-4 years, CL AIO wiped out most of the high end after-market CPU heatsink market. Obviously when water becomes more affordable, most people choose it over air cooling. If I was building a new rig today, I would probably go with a Swiftech H-220/240X since water is now so much better and cheaper that $100 Noctua Nh-D15 seems meh.

Much of that is common sense though. The Noctua NH-D15 doesn't outperform liquid coolers that are of equivalent cost (single 120-140mm radiators), and the same liquid coolers often are easier to work around inside a case because they are so much smaller.

 

[AtenRa]

Just to have them all together,

Data taken from the links bellow
Q1 2014
Q2 2014
Q3 2014

AMD

Desktop APUs
Q1 Decrease of 21,9% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 16,7% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 10,5% Q to Q

Mobile APUs
Q1 Increase of 3,7% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 10,3% Q to Q
Q3 Decrease of 16% Q to Q

Discrete Desktop
Q1 Decrease of 6,6% Q to Q
Q2 Decrease of 10,7% Q to Q
Q3 Decrease of 19% Q to Q

Discrete Mobile
Q1 Decrease 21,8% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 30,6% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 10% Q to Q

Overall PC Graphics Shipments
Q1 Decrease of 18,2% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 11% Q to Q
Q3 Decrease of 7% Q to Q


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NVIDIA

Discrete Desktop
Q1 Decrease of 6,6% Q to Q
Q2 Decrease of 21,7% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 24,3% Q to Q

Discrete Mobile
Q1 Decrease of 14,5% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 6,9% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 3,5% Q to Q

Overall PC Graphics Shipments
Q1 Decrease of 10,4% Q to Q
Q2 Decrease of 8,3% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 12,9% Q to Q


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Intel

Desktop APUs
Q1 Decrease of 5,1% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 7,2% Q to Q
Q3 Decrease of 0,3% Q to Q

Mobile APUs
Q1 Decrease of 9,7% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 1,9% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 18,6% Q to Q


Overall PC Graphics Shipments
Q1 Decrease of 7,9% Q to Q
Q2 Increase of 4,1% Q to Q
Q3 Increase of 11,6% Q to Q

 

[DA CPU WIZARD]

Can't forget that in 2014 $ / frames is not the only variable to consider, and this will continue to be true if NVDA has it there way. NVDA is making an ecosystem of related products / services exclusive to their cards to ensure lifelong support for their products! NVDA has ShadowPlay, one of the best game capture programs. They have PhysX, an exclusive game SDK. Premium coolers that looks better and perform better than the AMD price equivalent, as well as standardizing backplates in their newer cards. They have the SHIELD tablet and portable, which work with your NVDA video card for gaming away from the monitor. And they also have G-SYNC which they use to bribe people to upgrade to better monitors which COINCIDENTALLY often require better video cards due to increased pixel count / higher refresh rate. Notice how there aren't any 1080p 60Hz G-SYNC monitors?

I can't help but think that besides Mantle, AMD doesn't really have anything all too compelling for consumers BESIDES a $ / frame advantage (usually). And personally, Mantle really hasn't been as great as I assumed it would 9-12 months ago. However, the cooler in the 295X COULD be huge if they bring it down to their more mainstream cards as this COULD alleviate the problem they've been having with their cards that have always been too loud / too hot. And besides, I imagine getting a watercooled $300 card would sound pretty badass for average consumers.