TPP Text is out

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I bet you need to be an experienced contract lawyer to interpret it too. Everyone pay attention to these details don't be shy about letting you Representatives know.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/tpp-text-released/index.html
 
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I can say, from what I've read in C&EN, the chemical industry is in favor of the TPP for the most part. With cheaper feedstocks in the US over the last 10 years (natural gas and oil), newer plants have been opening here and production has been increased. The TPP will lower barriers for their exports to TPP-participants.
 

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5,544 pages of who the hell knows what's in it goodness. Our tax dollars at work.
 
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5,544 pages of who the hell knows what's in it goodness. Our tax dollars at work.

Agreed but keep in mind its a multi-nation trade deal. I wouldn't blame our process entirely.
Still sounds like a shit deal to me, should be interesting what comes out.
 

Sonikku

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You have to hand it to the Germans. They actually protested this shit. Here in America the sheep don't even know about it.
 

boomerang

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You have to hand it to the Germans. They actually protested this shit. Here in America the sheep don't even know about it.
Hell, I'd protest but I don't get good cell reception at the government sanctioned protest grounds.
 
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Hell, I'd protest but I don't get good cell reception at the government sanctioned protest grounds.

Haha I know why protest if you can't tweet about it

Being serious I can't see anything good coming out of this. We need to stop with the stupid trade agreements we always get shafted. Honestly is there really any reason not to trade with Japan? I know the Philippians can be difficult but what on earth are you going to sell them from America?
I'd be more open to the idea if someone could point at a solid example of what direct benefit I'll have for the exception of some more low cost junk that essentially removes US jobs.

**Boomer you & I have some pretty different views on things but I think we'd get along with each other just fine.
 

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Just going to hazard a guess that this is bad news for the average person in participatory countries. It's probably great news if you're a multi-national corporation looking to strangle the life out of nascent domestic industries formerly protected through import restrictions of various types and you're tired of all those pesky first word workers who have the audacity to expect things like a livable wage and decent working conditions.
 

Linux23

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when both a majority of the dems and repubs agree on the same shit, then watch out america.
 

master_shake_

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when both a majority of the dems and repubs agree on the same shit, then watch out america.

at least they (the us) watered down the part where corps can sue the gov for lost profits.

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacifi...te-investor-lawsuit-options-tpp-trade-2171277

In one part, the TPP makes it harder for investors to bring lawsuits based on their “expectations” of profits they would have made under an investment. That word might have let companies sue over legitimate measures a country takes to protect public health or the environment on the grounds unexpected changes reduced the value of investments.
Drake of the AFL-CIO said the tightening of the legal language isn’t enough because arbitrators are “free to ignore” the subtle caveats U.S. negotiators add to the text. “Without access to an appeals process, their mistakes can’t be fixed,” Drake said.
The agreement would also bar the use of shell companies to bring cases, an issue that arose when Philip Morris used a Hong Kong-based subsidiary to sue Australia. More directly, it all but carves the tobacco industry from being able to use arbitration.
Ilana Solomon, director of the Sierra Club’s Responsible Trade Program, said the exemption for tobacco shouldn’t be the end of the matter. “If it applies to tobacco, why shouldn’t it apply to environmental policies?” Solomon said. “It’s not sufficient to carve out one sector."
 

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at least they (the us) watered down the part where corps can sue the gov for lost profits.

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacifi...te-investor-lawsuit-options-tpp-trade-2171277

I said it in the last TPP thread but the very fact that the tobacco industry isn't allowed to use these rules shows you how bad the rules are. We have no idea today what will be the equivalent to tobacco tomorrow.

TPP was written by and for multi-national corporations. Any benefits for citizens are negligible relative to the gains these corporations are given.

I have no doubt it will pass, it is exactly the kind of selling out of the American people our politicians have been practicing for decades.
 

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You have to hand it to the Germans. They actually protested this shit. Here in America the sheep don't even know about it.

And nobody ever wants to give thanks to the one waking them up, only the one slapping the alarm or kicking the can. What a damn shame that people continue protecting the status quo in the promise of a crumb dropping.

The more unfair and difficult the system becomes to navigate, the more inequity develops between the richest and other classes. And the TPP is just another allowed step towards an absolute plutocracy.
 

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And nobody ever wants to give thanks to the one waking them up, only the one slapping the alarm or kicking the can. What a damn shame that people continue protecting the status quo in the promise of a crumb dropping.

The more unfair and difficult the system becomes to navigate, the more inequity develops between the richest and other classes. And the TPP is just another allowed step towards an absolute plutocracy.


Yes, 100%


Why is our tax code so complicated? It allows for inequality in its application and enforcement.
 
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