Towns getting IED-RESISTANT APC's and MRAPs (tanks!)

[Lithium381]

Don't worry, it's for your safety!!
Some of the links overlap a bit on generalities, but the theme is disturbing. Remember Feinstein?

t’s a battle worth waging. We must balance the desire of a few to own military-style assaults weapons with the growing threat to lives across America. ... [It's a] wakeup call that these weapons of war don’t belong on our streets...”

Scary when the government has a monopoly on force.

http://benswann.com/sc-police-department-gets-u-n-blue-tank-that-is-land-mine-ied-resistant/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/counter-insurgency-warfare-in-boise/

http://endthelie.com/2013/03/07/cit...de-police-militarization-trend/#axzz2l3UG9zFw

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...artment-gets-600000-military-tank-free-video#

http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/18/police-in-columbia-south-carolina-and-49

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/11/john-w-whitehead/drones-tanks-and-grenade-launchers/

http://www.belgrade-news.com/opinio...cle_f21c8780-515d-11e3-9f97-001a4bcf887a.html

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-24-11-42-57



[Edited the title so a few of the members here don't try and drink themselves to sleep tonight to end their misery of having read the original title]

 

[brycejones]

Cool 2 lewrockwell.com links in a single post. You out did A420.

But to your larger point this stuff is stupid for police departments and especially small town departments.

 

[Triumph]

Pathetic.

 

[Kadarin]

If the police have that stuff, they will use that stuff against us. To "serve high-risk warrants" of course. Move along, citizen.

 

[OverVolt]

I should get into the selling armored cars business wow.

Don't think thats what the OP intended but wow some money to be made there.

 

[Ackmed]

Your title is very misleading, and flat out wrong. There is NO such thing as an IED proof anything. Even the article says "IED resistant". I also don't consider Columbia SC to be a "small town", at 131k. Or Boise at 212k. I stopped after two links. They also are not tanks. You have THREE things that are INCORRECT in the title. Stop trying to further your agenda by changing words. You just sound ignorant.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Your title is very misleading, and flat out wrong. There is NO such thing as an IED proof anything. Even the article says "IED resistant". I also don't consider Columbia SC to be a "small town", at 131k. Or Boise at 212k. I stopped after two links. They also are not tanks. You have THREE things that are INCORRECT in the title. Stop trying to further your agenda by changing words. You just sound ignorant.

So you see the utility in military vehicles in a civilian police department? Yea, not tanks, nothing is 100% IED proof and just why have these regardless of size of town?

 

[bulldawg]

Your title is very misleading, and flat out wrong. There is NO such thing as an IED proof anything. Even the article says "IED resistant". I also don't consider Columbia SC to be a "small town", at 131k. Or Boise at 212k. I stopped after two links. They also are not tanks. You have THREE things that are INCORRECT in the title. Stop trying to further your agenda by changing words. You just sound ignorant.

Agree on those two cities. But, what about North Augusta SC?

"North Augusta is a city in Aiken County, South Carolina, United States, on the north bank of the Savannah River. The population was 21,348 at the 2010 census."

Why in the world would they need one? BTW, I live about 35 miles from there. Very quiet city overall.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Looks like there was a huge overstock sale of MRAPs.

 

[Geosurface]

For a second I glanced at this thread's title and thought it said "Small towns getting JEDI-proof tanks. . . ."

 

[Doppel]

These vehicles are ridiculous. Cops who have watched too many movies.

 

[michal1980]

Your title is very misleading, and flat out wrong. There is NO such thing as an IED proof anything. Even the article says "IED resistant". I also don't consider Columbia SC to be a "small town", at 131k. Or Boise at 212k. I stopped after two links. They also are not tanks. You have THREE things that are INCORRECT in the title. Stop trying to further your agenda by changing words. You just sound ignorant.

ok sheep. Here is your gitmo. don't complain its for your own good.

 

[Triumph]

Your title is very misleading, and flat out wrong. There is NO such thing as an IED proof anything. Even the article says "IED resistant". I also don't consider Columbia SC to be a "small town", at 131k. Or Boise at 212k. I stopped after two links. They also are not tanks. You have THREE things that are INCORRECT in the title. Stop trying to further your agenda by changing words. You just sound ignorant.

You sound like an apologizer for the militarization of our police force.

 

[Exterous]

If the police have that stuff, they will use that stuff against us. To "serve high-risk warrants for minor drug possession charges to the wrong address" of course.

FTFY

Stop trying to further your agenda by changing words. You just sound ignorant.

So are you for or against providing armored vehicles that are IED resistant to towns where no IEDs have been deployed and do not, in any way, represent the conditions the vehicles were meant to be deployed in (ie insurgent heavy areas)

That doesn't even start to address why Ohio State University needs an IED resistant armored vehicle to guard their football games.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/09/30/ohio-state-university-police-get-ied-resistant-military-vehicle-for-use-on-football-game-days/

We don't even have these in Detroit and thats far more war torn than any place in Boise or OSU

 

[Genx87]

We need a 30 ton armored truck of pure freeedumb when raiding somebody's house for posessing a plant they voluntarily consume.

Murrica 2013

 

[waggy]

yeah there have been reports over the years that the military is giving police departments old equipment.

also the rise of the number swat teams that use such equipment is sky high.

I question why so many police departments need vehicles such as this..

 

[rudeguy]

Cool 2 lewrockwell.com links in a single post. You out did A420.

But to your larger point this stuff is stupid for police departments and especially small town departments.

endthelie.com sounds very respectable

I wish to subscribe to their newsletter.



Really...are people this dense? The OP says tanks and all they showed were APCs. Here's the thing: cops get shot at. They use the APC as a barrier between themselves and gun fire. Oh but that's right, all the cop haters on here want the cops to get shot.

Go find something to do with your time that doesn't involve making up things to be upset about. Or go try on tin foil hats. Or listen to Art Bell. Just STFU

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh but that's right, all the cop haters on here want the cops to get shot.

Not as simple as that.

We want clear distinctions between military and civilian forces. We do not want to be policed by military, and it is a deep concern the more they blur the lines between the two.

 

[NoCreativity]

FTFY



So are you for or against providing armored vehicles that are IED resistant to towns where no IEDs have been deployed and do not, in any way, represent the conditions the vehicles were meant to be deployed in (ie insurgent heavy areas)

That doesn't even start to address why Ohio State University needs an IED resistant armored vehicle to guard their football games.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2013/09/30/ohio-state-university-police-get-ied-resistant-military-vehicle-for-use-on-football-game-days/

We don't even have these in Detroit and thats far more war torn than any place in Boise or OSU

I doubt police are using these for the IED resistant properties but rather the bullet resistant properties. That doesn't mean I agree with police departments using them but I can see where it is hard to turn down a free armored vehicle.

And OP, they are not tanks!

 

[TheVrolok]

yeah there have been reports over the years that the military is giving police departments old equipment.

also the rise of the number swat teams that use such equipment is sky high.

I question why so many police departments need vehicles such as this..

They don't "need." It's simply oversupply so the military wants to make some money back and sells 'em off. As we continue to equip the police with military surplus it's certainly bluring the lines between PD/military .. well, except that the PD is far less trained.

 

[waggy]

They don't "need." It's simply oversupply so the military wants to make some money back and sells 'em off. As we continue to equip the police with military surplus it's certainly bluring the lines between PD/military .. well, except that the PD is far less trained.

also i worry about PD's justifying the reason's for having such vehicles and equipment.

sorry but i don't think so many PD's need these vehicles.

 

[Zargon]

an MRAP is not a tank, its barely an 'APC' as its the militarys replacement for the Humvee


for years swat teams have been 'uparmoring' armored cars, buses, ETC for swat vehicles to respond to active threats

and they are free btw, they didn't buy shit, the DOD in its infinite wisdom overpurchased the hell out of them and then 'gave them away'


of all the things to get your panties bunched over, this is pretty low on my list

drones, the sound machines that make you hot and puke and other new 'less than lethal ' crowd control stuff is more of a worry, its just an armored truck, and it didn't come with the machine gun

 

[TheVrolok]

also i worry about PD's justifying the reason's for having such vehicles and equipment.

sorry but i don't think so many PD's need these vehicles.

but.. TERRORISTS! Are you saying you support terrorists killing children?

 

[TheVrolok]

and they are free btw, they didn't buy shit, the DOD in its infinite wisdom overpurchased the hell out of them and then 'gave them away'

If they're free I have a lot less issue with it, still think it's dumb, but so be it.

 

[unokitty]

A Painful Truth

These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.

Military equipment tends to be highly specialized and very expensive to maintain.

Allowing your local police agency to obtain surplus military equipment takes money and resources away from law enforcement. But if they obtain military equipment, they will use it whether or not they have the appropriate training and experience.

About every 2 weeks, somewhere in the US, a SWAT team raids the wrong home

Police aren't soldiers. Allowing them to dress up like soldiers doesn't change that.

Law enforcement isn't war.

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