Toshiba MK2431 (AFD) & Windows XP

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I have installed a 1.8" ZIF/IDE 240GB Toshiba MK2431 in a Dell D430 laptop.

The Dell Windows Vista disk will install to the drive without issues.

The Dell Windows XP installer declares that there is no hard drive present to install to.

The drive appears in the BIOS Setup utility properly. The drive also works fine in an external USB enclosure.

I suspect that the problem with XP has to do with sector size and the Advanced Format Drive issue, but I am not certain.

I've often seen folks offer suggestions about enabling SATA drives or maybe something to do with AHCI in the BIOS, but this machine does not have any such options. And, as I wrote, the firmware sees the drive.

I am planning to follow the instructions in this thread http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2135323 for using Gparted on the drive. In reading/searching I saw some material about dummy MBR partitions (Ms's website, I think) under GUID and XP needs an MBR partition table. So maybe the drive is partitioned with a GPT and a dummy MBR and needs to have its partition removed and replaced with MBR.

But I don't know, that's just a hypothesis.

Any ideas? Are there some drives which just can't have XP installed on them?

I use this laptop with my old chip programmer through the parallel port on the dock, and the software for the chip programmer won't run on OSs later than XP. I could live without the larger hard drive, but I'd rather not.

Thank you for any suggestions or background education.

 

[Magic Carpet]

You need to slipstream Intel AHCI drivers into XP to properly recognize your drive or... have a USB Floppy nearby.

Google nLite.

 

[Emulex]

load windows 8 on it

you interested in a needham emp-11 (8-bit/psuedo 16) with tsop-48(bosch 7/9),32package(older bosch 5/3), psop-44(who knows) adapters (plain 40 pin ie 29C512 ) support too works great in 7

 

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You need to slipstream Intel AHCI drivers into XP to properly recognize your drive or... have a USB Floppy nearby.

Google nLite.

Do AHCI drivers affect PATA drive support? The hard drive in question is a parallel ATA drive. I've seen your recommendation given to folks trying to use SATA drives with XP, but I've never seen an explicit discussion of whether it would also apply for PATA advanced format drives.

 

[trag]

load windows 8 on it

you interested in a needham emp-11 (8-bit/psuedo 16) with tsop-48(bosch 7/9),32package(older bosch 5/3), psop-44(who knows) adapters (plain 40 pin ie 29C512 ) support too works great in 7

Thanks. I have an EMP-30... I wish I had a TSOP-56 adapter for it though. I already have a PSOP-44 adapter. It was a popular package for Flash.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Do AHCI drivers affect PATA drive support? The hard drive in question is a parallel ATA drive.

No. Besides, you have no other choice, but to do just that, if you must have Windows XP. You can either slipstream AHCI drivers using nLite or have a USB floppy disk nearby with unzipped drivers to the root folder (initiated during the first screen by pressing F6). Note, it might take you several tries before you locate the correct driver (depends on chipset, just try one by one from the available list) and Windows Setup manages to see your drive.

I've seen your recommendation given to folks trying to use SATA drives with XP, but I've never seen an explicit discussion of whether it would also apply for PATA advanced format drives.

It applies the same way. With the only difference, is that you have to run Hitachi Align Tool after Windows XP installation to make sure every partition is aligned. Not difficult at all and surprisingly is a quick procedure.

Good luck.

 

[Emulex]

Thanks. I have an EMP-30... I wish I had a TSOP-56 adapter for it though. I already have a PSOP-44 adapter. It was a popular package for Flash.

what ecu you hack? tsop-56? Man i'm getting old i didn't know they got that big. TSop-48 plus a hot-air reheat workstation safe to pop chips off!

 

[trag]

No. Besides, you have no other choice, but to do just that, if you must have Windows XP. You can either slipstream AHCI drivers using nLite or have a USB floppy disk nearby with unzipped drivers to the root folder (initiated during the first screen by pressing F6). Note, it might take you several tries before you locate the correct driver (depends on chipset, just try one by one from the available list) and Windows Setup manages to see your drive.

Okay, I finally had time to try this out. I used the tutorial link above for slipstreaming using nLite and used the drivers link to access Intel's Rapid Storage Technology page. The D430 uses an 82945GMS chipset with an 82801GBM ICH7-M, so according to Intel it should be compatible with RST.

When I came to the step to select the specific driver to slipstream, I just selected them all, as the tutorial said that was acceptable, although I could try it again with just the ICH7 drivers.

Long story short, the new slipstreamed disk doesn't see the MK2431 either.

So, I created a gparted Live disk and tried out Gnome Partition Editor.

That was interesting, as it informed me that the sectors on the disk are 512Bytes, implying that this is not an Advanced Format Drive. It's still a pain, but apparently not because of AFD.

Anyway, I tried a variety of partitioning schemes, but none of them caused the hard drive to be visible to the XP installation disk.

The only other thing I can think to do is to identify whatever driver it is that Vista is using to see the MK2431 hard drive and extract it and slipstream *the Vista driver* into XP. It might not be compatible, but my understanding is that the underpinnings of XP and Vista are very similar.

However, I don't know where to look. Any ideas? Install Vista and then use Device Manager to see if a driver is listed for the hard drive or IDE controller?