i've got a toshiba 12x DVD. solid DVD player, has 10x DAE and 40x data: keeps up nicely with my 8x yamaha. for the record, my ATI all-in-wonder has DVD decoder and does not require passthrough. most ATI cards include hardware DVD decoding (starting with the ATI 128 Rage Pro). that's while i like ATI even though their drivers sucks and their tech support blows.