Torrent - Tis better to give than receive BUT

[Dunbar]

Why do I always seem to upload 10x more than I've downloaded? Shouldn't the greater communit-ay at large be better givers than takers?

 

[QuitBanningMe]

I do the same.

I haven't downloaded anything for over a month but I've been seeding the whole time.

 

[aplefka]

Why bother posting this here? A bunch of people already said they never upload at all, fvcking douchebags are the ones that ruin it for people like me and you. :|

I've all but stopped uploading new torrents because I know no one is going to help me seed and the community isn't as strong as it used to be due to all the publicity BT has gotten in the past year.

 

[amol]

Downloaded: 73.51GB

Uploaded: 29.24GB

Ratio: 0.397

Thanks for making up for my crappy upload speeds

 

[jds2006]

I never upload more than 15 kb/sec. Hehehe

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

A lot of people have a far higher download speed than upload.

 

[dighn]

i just cap my upload since you can't make others upload faster

 

[Merlyn3D]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
I do the same.

I haven't downloaded anything for over a month but I've been seeding the whole time.

god bless you :beer:

 

[klah]

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article....202&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=185&tid=95

Bram:

That 'functional glue' is extraordinarily difficult to get to work well. Ever-changing network conditions and very high rates of peers disconnecting produce a very thorny logistical problem. Most existing swarming implementations don't even manage to fully utilize all the upload capacity available to them.

That said, there are other decent swarming implementations. For example, the one in eDonkey is quite serviceable, and Furthurnet's works okay as well. BitTorrent handles the little details of file transfer better than all of the others, but if that were the only difference its advantage would be relatively minor and subtle.

What sets BitTorrent apart is its very robust technique for rewarding specifically the peers which upload the most, known as leech resistance. On the highest level, this prevents a long-term meltdown of the system from being caused by people running leeching clients. It also causes upload and download rates to be somewhat correlated, so peers on good pipes get decent download rates, which increases general good feeling about how the system behaves. Overnet, the follow-on to eDonkey, may start using BitTorrent's peer protocol in the future specifically for the leech resistance properties.

By the way, people sometimes run clients hacked to not upload at all and still experience good download rates. Usually this is because they're downloading a file which has been available for a while and there are many clients which have finished downloading but been left running, so there's plenty of excess bandwidth to go around. Not uploading in a swarm which is still ramping up is generally ruinous for download rates.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: dighn
cap your upload. you can't make others upload faster but at least you can prevent yourself from getting suspend by the ISP for overusing bandwidth.

Not everyone has an anal ISP. My provider removed the limit totally now, and never took any action (not even warnings) against heavy users when they still had a theoretical limit. I've had a month with more than 200GB download and more than 150GB upload, and wasn't even among the heaviest of users. Note: At that point I had 4.5Mbit download speed, and 768Kbit upload. Now I have 8Mbit down and 1Mbit up.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

I seed whatever file I have until the share ratio hits 1.00, then I remove it from the list

 

[dc]

i was seeding 230+ files on a tracker. the admin got mad at me.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
I seed whatever file I have until the share ratio hits 1.00, then I remove it from the list

See, even that doesn't really help out, because when you're uploading while you're download is incomplete that counts towards the ratio. However, that doesn't help out the seeder much, especially because most people don't have super-seeding on. Always try to up the file size of the file AFTER you've completed it in addition to whatever else you've already upped.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Amol
Downloaded: 73.51GB

Uploaded: 29.24GB

Ratio: 0.397

Thanks for making up for my crappy upload speeds

Crappy upload speeds doesn't explain a .4 ratio. Even when I was stuck at 25 kB/s I still managed a 1+ ratio. Why not leave them running while you sleep or are at school or aren't home? It's like distributed computing except it's torrenting.

Best part of being on Comcast's upgraded plan is that with 768 kbit up I upload around 90kB/s all the time.

 

[magomago]

I usually let upload go to 2.5X of download. I'll let it go up to 5 if there aren't many seeds.

Tho i stay pretty legit in my downloads, so i'm not helping leechers wanting the latest movies and whatnot

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
I seed whatever file I have until the share ratio hits 1.00, then I remove it from the list

See, even that doesn't really help out, because when you're uploading while you're download is incomplete that counts towards the ratio. However, that doesn't help out the seeder much, especially because most people don't have super-seeding on. Always try to up the file size of the file AFTER you've completed it in addition to whatever else you've already upped.

IMO, it doesn't really matter which part of the file you help distribute, It's that you helped distribute and also that you took the burden off the people that do have it.

Most of my downloads around the .3 or .4 range when they finish though. So I still get a good distribution of the file out there

I put back what I take. Most of the swarms are 2K+ people though.

If it's a small swarm, I don't have a problem going past 1, but if there are that many people, I'm just going to do my part and go home

 

[PoPPeR]

Your RATIO: 1.207
Uploaded: 43.55 GB
Downloaded: 36.09 GB

and i'm on comcast with my 32k max upload

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
I seed whatever file I have until the share ratio hits 1.00, then I remove it from the list

See, even that doesn't really help out, because when you're uploading while you're download is incomplete that counts towards the ratio. However, that doesn't help out the seeder much, especially because most people don't have super-seeding on. Always try to up the file size of the file AFTER you've completed it in addition to whatever else you've already upped.

IMO, it doesn't really matter which part of the file you help distribute, It's that you helped distribute and also that you took the burden off the people that do have it.

Most of my downloads around the .3 or .4 range when they finish though. So I still get a good distribution of the file out there

I put back what I take. Most of the swarms are 2K+ people though.

If it's a small swarm, I don't have a problem going past 1, but if there are that many people, I'm just going to do my part and go home

Fair enough. I'm referring to hard-to-find stuff, such as local sports teams' games and the like, where only one person has it and they're seeding it on a less-than-stellar connection. If they're willing to sacrifice time and bandwidth then I think it's only fair of us to do the same in return. I got so tired of seeing torrents I upped get to 5000 or 6000+ completed downloads and only seeing 1 or 2 seeders.

 

[0roo0roo]

worst of all is the seeder who spams bad packets. damned mpaa/riaa

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
worst of all is the seeder who spams bad packets. damned mpaa/riaa

Something I always wondered was in P2P programs such as WinMX, Limewire, BearShare, etc., who were the fvckheads who uploaded songs that were popular singles and about 10 seconds into the song turned into total scratching/rubbish? Was it the RIAA?

 

[Conky]

They never go after the leechers only the people who share for weeks on end. (doesn't anybody remember all those Kazaa users being sued for sharing mp3s?)

Hit and run is the name of the game, matey. :laugh:

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
worst of all is the seeder who spams bad packets. damned mpaa/riaa

Something I always wondered was in P2P programs such as WinMX, Limewire, BearShare, etc., who were the fvckheads who uploaded songs that were popular singles and about 10 seconds into the song turned into total scratching/rubbish? Was it the RIAA?

yea i've read they did stuff like that. or put out lower quality songs..or ones that start out normally then have a segment of the song repeat over and over for the rest of the length

but yea on torrent the worst has been recent hbo stuff. spammed to death

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
They never go after the leechers only the people who share for weeks on end. (doesn't anybody remember all those Kazaa users being sued for sharing mp3s?)

Hit and run is the name of the game, matey. :laugh:

To quote a very overplayed NIN song, would you bite the hand that feeds?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
worst of all is the seeder who spams bad packets. damned mpaa/riaa

Yes. However, IP Blacklists are excellent for fixing that