Top Republican and top Democrat agree.

[techs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/20/washi...00dcb24004a01&ei=5094&partner=homepage

In New Job, Spymaster Draws Bipartisan Criticism

WASHINGTON, April 19 ? The top Republican and the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee have disagreed publicly about many things, but on one issue they have recently come together. Both are disquieted by the first-year performance of John D. Negroponte, the director of national intelligence.

The fear expressed by the two lawmakers, Representatives Peter Hoekstra, Republican of Michigan, and Jane Harman, Democrat of California, is that Mr. Negroponte, the nation's overseer of spy agencies, is creating just another blanket of bureaucracy, muffling rather than clarifying the dangers lurking in the world.

In an April 6 report, the Intelligence Committee warned that Mr. Negroponte's office could end up not as a streamlined coordinator but as "another layer of large, unintended and unnecessary bureaucracy." The committee went so far as to withhold part of Mr. Negroponte's budget request until he convinced members he had a workable plan.




I know people are getting sick and tired reading about the incompetence of Bushes appointees and how they are screwing up so dramatically but if no one calls each failure to the publics attention the Bushes will keep on sending garbage appointments to protect our country.

 

[CaptnKirk]

What does the 'D' in John D. Negroponte stand for - 'Deathsquad'?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What does the 'D' in John D. Negroponte stand for - 'Deathsquad'?

"Dummy"?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What does the 'D' in John D. Negroponte stand for - 'Deathsquad'?

"Dummy"?

I'll take 'Deathsquad' for $ 500, Alex

 

[Moonbeam]

This is the administration of 'disaster'.

 

[palehorse]

the intel agencies have been fighting amongst themselves for influence and budgets for more than 50 years. This is nothing more than a way for congress to remind Negroponte where his money comes from... let's also not forget that none of the agencies are happy with having a new Daddy, especially the DCI. Negroponte has one of the most difficult jobs in the world: he must get agencies that have previously hated eachother and held info close to suddenly love eachother and share everything freely. that is a VERY tall order, and in the opinions of most in the field of intel, he IS on the right track... He just needs to stay focused and ignore the political maneuvering/flexing as much as possible.

that's reality in the intel world folks; but trust me, none of you will understand it based on newspaper or TV reports. And this issue has very little, if anything, to do with Bush himself. you're barking up the wrong tree if you attempt to link this situation with the Admin, you really are... this is a very seperate and different battle going on in DC, and Bush isnt even a factor in this one.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the intel agencies have been fighting amongst themselves for influence and budgets for more than 50 years. This is nothing more than a way for congress to remind Negroponte where his money comes from... let's also not forget that none of the agencies are happy with having a new Daddy, especially the DCI. Negroponte has one of the most difficult jobs in the world: he must get agencies that have previously hated eachother and held info close to suddenly love eachother and share everything freely. that is a VERY tall order, and in the opinions of most in the field of intel, he IS on the right track... He just needs to stay focused and ignore the political maneuvering/flexing as much as possible.

that's reality in the intel world folks; but trust me, none of you will understand it based on newspaper or TV reports. And this issue has very little, if anything, to do with Bush himself. you're barking up the wrong tree if you attempt to link this situation with the Admin, you really are... this is a very seperate and different battle going on in DC, and Bush isnt even a factor in this one.

Bush is not even a factor in this one? He selected Negroponte.

Lets see. The US suffers a huge intelligence lapse leading to 9-11. Then the US suffers a huge intelligence lapse on the WMD in Iraq issue.
So a new position is created to coordinate all the intelligence agencies so it doesn't happen again.
AND THE PRESIDENT SELECTS A MAN FOR THIS CRITICAL JOB WHO IS FAILING AT IT IN THE OPINION OF THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT LEADERS IN CONGRESS AND YOU SAY ITS NOT BUSHES FAULT?
OMG. THATS JUST TOO FUNNY!!!

 

[kage69]

Bout time. Finally the BS factor is exceeding the limits of partisan apologetics, kudos to Congress for finally putting it's foot down about something that needs a remedy.




And speaking of BS, Pale, the best thing you can do to support this clusterfvck of an admin is to keep your mouth shut. In your short, mostly substance-free time here, you've given the PN crowd very little to ask to be trusted on anything. Your dismissal of Negroponte's past and continued attempts to sound involved in 'intelligence matters' really make you come across as another zendari. It pains me to see a vet make himself a troll for a bunch of crooks like this.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the intel agencies have been fighting amongst themselves for influence and budgets for more than 50 years. This is nothing more than a way for congress to remind Negroponte where his money comes from... let's also not forget that none of the agencies are happy with having a new Daddy, especially the DCI. Negroponte has one of the most difficult jobs in the world: he must get agencies that have previously hated eachother and held info close to suddenly love eachother and share everything freely. that is a VERY tall order, and in the opinions of most in the field of intel, he IS on the right track... He just needs to stay focused and ignore the political maneuvering/flexing as much as possible.

that's reality in the intel world folks; but trust me, none of you will understand it based on newspaper or TV reports. And this issue has very little, if anything, to do with Bush himself. you're barking up the wrong tree if you attempt to link this situation with the Admin, you really are... this is a very seperate and different battle going on in DC, and Bush isnt even a factor in this one.

Bush is not even a factor in this one? He selected Negroponte.

Lets see. The US suffers a huge intelligence lapse leading to 9-11. Then the US suffers a huge intelligence lapse on the WMD in Iraq issue.
So a new position is created to coordinate all the intelligence agencies so it doesn't happen again.
AND THE PRESIDENT SELECTS A MAN FOR THIS CRITICAL JOB WHO IS FAILING AT IT IN THE OPINION OF THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT LEADERS IN CONGRESS AND YOU SAY ITS NOT BUSHES FAULT?
OMG. THATS JUST TOO FUNNY!!!

he's NOT failing at it.. as i said, this was simply Congress flexing its muscle and reminding him where his money comes from, nothing more. I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

This is the first time in those 60+ years that an individual, who is not associated with any particular agency, has complete oversight and budget control over all of them. That means that there is ALOT of muscle flexing going on as each side in the process shows him where their power lies.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

 

[kage69]

I work in the intel field, and believe it or not,

Based on your previous posts, I'll go with 'not.' Intel workers don't go onto public websites and honk off about it, unless the field they're refering to is composed of grass (hey, everyone needs their lawn mowed, right?)


Another mall ninja trying to sound enlightened... *sigh*

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

How long have you been in the Intel field?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

How long have you been in the Intel field?

approximately 7 years on the civilian side, and just about 3 months militarily...

kage69: not everyone in intel is a spy who is not allowed to say where they work. stating that I work in the "intel field" is about as generic as it gets...

way to miss the point. you're perfectly in your rights to take it all with a grain of salt, but I think you missed the point anyways...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

How long have you been in the Intel field?

approximately 7 years on the civilian side, and just about 3 months militarily...

kage69: not everyone in intel is a spy who is not allowed to say where they work. stating that I work in the "intel field" is about as generic as it gets...

way to miss the point. you're perfectly in your rights to take it all with a grain of salt, but I think you missed the point anyways...

You are in the intel field yet you come on here and use a piece of propaganda from one of the most famous terrorist groups IDL a group that has killed american civilians as a source for one of your points then say you didn't know of their history,


Well, I guess the old saying: " Military Intelligence is a oxymoron" holds true once again.

And now you people want to bomb iran and we should trust you this time not to screw up...

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

approximately 7 years on the civilian side,

Exactly what did you do on the civilian side?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the intel agencies have been fighting amongst themselves for influence and budgets for more than 50 years. This is nothing more than a way for congress to remind Negroponte where his money comes from... let's also not forget that none of the agencies are happy with having a new Daddy, especially the DCI. Negroponte has one of the most difficult jobs in the world: he must get agencies that have previously hated eachother and held info close to suddenly love eachother and share everything freely. that is a VERY tall order, and in the opinions of most in the field of intel, he IS on the right track... He just needs to stay focused and ignore the political maneuvering/flexing as much as possible.

that's reality in the intel world folks; but trust me, none of you will understand it based on newspaper or TV reports. And this issue has very little, if anything, to do with Bush himself. you're barking up the wrong tree if you attempt to link this situation with the Admin, you really are... this is a very seperate and different battle going on in DC, and Bush isnt even a factor in this one.

Bush is not even a factor in this one? He selected Negroponte.

Lets see. The US suffers a huge intelligence lapse leading to 9-11. Then the US suffers a huge intelligence lapse on the WMD in Iraq issue.
So a new position is created to coordinate all the intelligence agencies so it doesn't happen again.
AND THE PRESIDENT SELECTS A MAN FOR THIS CRITICAL JOB WHO IS FAILING AT IT IN THE OPINION OF THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT LEADERS IN CONGRESS AND YOU SAY ITS NOT BUSHES FAULT?
OMG. THATS JUST TOO FUNNY!!!

he's NOT failing at it.. as i said, this was simply Congress flexing its muscle and reminding him where his money comes from, nothing more. I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

This is the first time in those 60+ years that an individual, who is not associated with any particular agency, has complete oversight and budget control over all of them. That means that there is ALOT of muscle flexing going on as each side in the process shows him where their power lies.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

Oh yeah, thats the ticket.
The top Republican is just doing the usual. Criticizing his own partys choices and witholding crucial money because everythings just hunky-dory.
I guess its true about MJ and 420. Cause thats the only people who would believe that rationale.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: palehorse74
the intel agencies have been fighting amongst themselves for influence and budgets for more than 50 years. This is nothing more than a way for congress to remind Negroponte where his money comes from... let's also not forget that none of the agencies are happy with having a new Daddy, especially the DCI. Negroponte has one of the most difficult jobs in the world: he must get agencies that have previously hated eachother and held info close to suddenly love eachother and share everything freely. that is a VERY tall order, and in the opinions of most in the field of intel, he IS on the right track... He just needs to stay focused and ignore the political maneuvering/flexing as much as possible.

that's reality in the intel world folks; but trust me, none of you will understand it based on newspaper or TV reports. And this issue has very little, if anything, to do with Bush himself. you're barking up the wrong tree if you attempt to link this situation with the Admin, you really are... this is a very seperate and different battle going on in DC, and Bush isnt even a factor in this one.

Bush is not even a factor in this one? He selected Negroponte.

Lets see. The US suffers a huge intelligence lapse leading to 9-11. Then the US suffers a huge intelligence lapse on the WMD in Iraq issue.
So a new position is created to coordinate all the intelligence agencies so it doesn't happen again.
AND THE PRESIDENT SELECTS A MAN FOR THIS CRITICAL JOB WHO IS FAILING AT IT IN THE OPINION OF THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT LEADERS IN CONGRESS AND YOU SAY ITS NOT BUSHES FAULT?
OMG. THATS JUST TOO FUNNY!!!

he's NOT failing at it.. as i said, this was simply Congress flexing its muscle and reminding him where his money comes from, nothing more. I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

This is the first time in those 60+ years that an individual, who is not associated with any particular agency, has complete oversight and budget control over all of them. That means that there is ALOT of muscle flexing going on as each side in the process shows him where their power lies.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

Damn I was going to call shens on you being in the "intel' world but it looks like a half dozen other people called you out already.

oh well, not the first to the party but...

SHENS!

 

[AmerDoux]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

How long have you been in the Intel field?

approximately 7 years on the civilian side, and just about 3 months militarily...

kage69: not everyone in intel is a spy who is not allowed to say where they work. stating that I work in the "intel field" is about as generic as it gets...

way to miss the point. you're perfectly in your rights to take it all with a grain of salt, but I think you missed the point anyways...

So your whole three months of being in intelligence in the military... are you still in training as a 97E or have you completed your training and been stationed somewhere?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

So your whole three months of being in intelligence in the military... are you still in training as a 97E or have you completed your training and been stationed somewhere?

He told me he's Reserve and getting ready to go on a 21 month overseas assignment.

Considering that overseas assignments are for 12 months . . . I guess he considers 9 months of training to be 'overseas' as well.

 

[AmerDoux]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

So your whole three months of being in intelligence in the military... are you still in training as a 97E or have you completed your training and been stationed somewhere?

He told me he's Reserve and getting ready to go on a 21 month overseas assignment.

Considering that overseas assignments are for 12 months . . . I guess he considers 9 months of training to be 'overseas' as well.

My son is a 96B and currently stationed in South Korea. He takes his job pretty seriously and wont say jack about what he is doing, where, or make any statements regarding this administration or its policies and does not put on any pretenses. If Palehorse74 truly is a 97E, then I find that fact very distressing simply because he is so full of himself and cannot keep his mouth shut.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74
I work in the intel field, and believe it or not, most people agree that Negroponte is doing as good a job as possible in ironing out the multitude of problems facing the agencies, as they try, for the first time in 60+ years, to communicate openly and effectively with one-another.

again, this is not something I would expect anyone else to understand unless you've studied or worked in the Intel world, and know its history.

How long have you been in the Intel field?

approximately 7 years on the civilian side, and just about 3 months militarily...

kage69: not everyone in intel is a spy who is not allowed to say where they work. stating that I work in the "intel field" is about as generic as it gets...

way to miss the point. you're perfectly in your rights to take it all with a grain of salt, but I think you missed the point anyways...

You are in the intel field yet you come on here and use a piece of propaganda from one of the most famous terrorist groups IDL a group that has killed american civilians as a source for one of your points then say you didn't know of their history,


Well, I guess the old saying: " Military Intelligence is a oxymoron" holds true once again.

And now you people want to bomb iran and we should trust you this time not to screw up...

hey clueless, that link was the first one that google popped out which illustrated the items up for debate in the thread you are referring to. I simply typed in "Actual history country Palestine" and used the first one that made my point. You keep harping on that post as if I pulled it off my shelf or wrote that website myself.

get.a.clue.and.stick.your.accusations.of.racism.and.bigotry.somewhere.dark.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

approximately 7 years on the civilian side,

Exactly what did you do on the civilian side?

that i cannot discuss. drop it Earl. my career is no longer up for discussion. there is nothing classified about my duty MOS assignment, so those who think there is are wrong. My having said "I work in intel" is no different than AmerDoux's son telling people he is a 96B. I will NOT discuss where I work specifically, or who I work with.

It's nice that you ignore my entire point and go straight to questioning my integrity and personal resume... what else is new?! ATP&N at its finest...

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

approximately 7 years on the civilian side,

Exactly what did you do on the civilian side?

that i cannot discuss. drop it Earl. my career is no longer up for discussion. there is nothing classified about my duty MOS assignment, so those who think there is are wrong. My having said "I work in intel" is no different than AmerDoux's son telling people he is a 96B. I will NOT discuss where I work specifically, or who I work with.

It's nice that you ignore my entire point and go straight to questioning my integrity and personal resume... what else is new?! ATP&N at its finest...

The difference in you telling us you 'work in intel' and Amerdoux's son working as a 96B in Korea is that he isn't here throwing it in our face and making proclamations based on 'insider information' like you do.

No one cares where you claim to work. Unless you can prove it.
That is the biggest e-dorkery I think I've seen.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

approximately 7 years on the civilian side,

Exactly what did you do on the civilian side?

that i cannot discuss. drop it Earl. my career is no longer up for discussion. there is nothing classified about my duty MOS assignment, so those who think there is are wrong. My having said "I work in intel" is no different than AmerDoux's son telling people he is a 96B. I will NOT discuss where I work specifically, or who I work with.

It's nice that you ignore my entire point and go straight to questioning my integrity and personal resume... what else is new?! ATP&N at its finest...

The difference in you telling us you 'work in intel' and Amerdoux's son working as a 96B in Korea is that he isn't here throwing it in our face and making proclamations based on 'insider information' like you do.

No one cares where you claim to work. Unless you can prove it.
That is the biggest e-dorkery I think I've seen.

you're missing the main point: I dont care if you care. I said my piece on the subject, from my perspective, and that's that. I qualified my opinion with a short comment on where I'm coming from. It's up to you as to how you take my point; and, like I said, I couldn't really care less if you believe me, or if you agree. I wasn't giving you my opinion based on "insider information," but, rather, it's one based on an "insider's perspective." There's a big difference between the two...

no.skin.off.my.back.either.way.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

that i cannot discuss. drop it Earl. my career is no longer up for discussion.

It's nice that you ignore my entire point and go straight to questioning my integrity and personal resume... what else is new?! ATP&N at its finest...

Ah I see, your civ life got classified since you've join the forum?? It's just that I have seen your resume and it did not mention any intel work. Your the one going around defending things with your *classified info* stories. I won't post the info I got, it's all easily found by reading some of your first posts and a google or two

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

that i cannot discuss. drop it Earl. my career is no longer up for discussion.

It's nice that you ignore my entire point and go straight to questioning my integrity and personal resume... what else is new?! ATP&N at its finest...

Ah I see, your civ life got classified since you've join the forum?? It's just that I have seen your resume and it did not mention any intel work. Your the one going around defending things with your *classified info* stories. I won't post the info I got, it's all easily found by reading some of your first posts and a google or two

and I've asked you before not to bring up the personal info, yet you keep doing so. NONE of my "stories," or, more accurately, my "posts," are based upon "classified info." They are all meerly from my perspective as a soldier and DoD employee. Everything i write here is opinion based on experience and education, nothing more.

My resume is not the issue here. You are choosing to discredit me as a source without realizing that crediting me is irrelevant in the first place.

drop.my.personal.resume.discussion. PLEASE.

thankyou.

I gave my perspective on this issue, so now im done with it.

ps: you wont find "classified work" on a resume.