Top Gear LOVED their long term C6 Corvette

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We'll go right back to the beginning, eight months ago and the "big question"; we asked back then: does this American car work in Britain and Europe?

We know it's fantastic value, for what it is, at $49k. But what's that like to live with?

Before we get round to answering, we should point out that this has been the most popular long-term test car we've ever had. Without question. A weekend didn't go by without a request for a loan of it. And then when people did get into it, the Vette was tremendous fun and massively fast, without being frightening. Beautiful and distinctive, without being in-your-face like a Ferrari, and loved by everyone who saw it. People who matter, people who know cars and appreciate them, knew how good this Corvette was. A very cool quality for a car to have.
So its popularity speaks volumes. Not a bad word was said ? certainly nothing harsh or uncomplimentary. But despite that, living with a car every day will inevitably throw up small niggles and problems. In the Vette's case, they're easily fixed.

The car should have auto-up and auto-down windows. The passenger side glass lacks that, which isn't good on a $49k car. And the driver's seat should have electric backrest rake adjustment, and an infinitely adjustable steering-wheel rake adjustment, too. Otherwise the car is well-equipped, with heated leather seats, heads-up display, satellite navigation, an excellent stereo and climate control. Well, I say "excellent stereo," but it lacked an iPod port and Bluetooth connectivity: two more black marks that might make a big difference to customers with this sort of money to spend. That needs fixing on the next model please, GM. Please.
Dynamically, my only gripe was with the steering. Power, handling, brakes, grip, agility, gear change, great. Steering? Only average for a performance car like this. You start to notice it as soon as you pull away, thanks to a lack of self-centering.

Say you've reversed out of your parking spot, and are now driving forward at full lock, and then straighten up: the steering wheel will run through your hands to a point, but not enough, and you have to help it the extra quarter-turn to the straight-ahead. It's a sign of a general lack of precision and meatiness. On the move, you never quite ? and this is a relatively minor thing, but obvious ? feel that you have a handle on what the front end is doing. The problem is the steering: nicely geared and an attractive, easy-to-use wheel, but just a shade lacking in feel. It's something the engineers should look at once more. Pull a Porsche or Lotus apart, then. Analyze that.

Would I have a Corvette over a Porsche 911? We'd be looking at a used 911 for this money: you might pick up a two-year-old S for $50k with about 30,000 on the clock.
That's a tough call ? you're not getting a brand-new car. And it's a car that'll be 100 hp down on this big 430 hp V8. On the other hand, the used Porsche would probably hold its value a little better than the Vette. It's too difficult a call for me to make: I can't quite bring myself to say that I'd have this C6 over a 911, even an older one. But it's oh so close. Of course, if you look for used C6s, you could have one with near-delivery mileage for $30k and spend the rest on a round-the-world vacation. That I can relate to.

Nothing really matters in this car, though, other than the engine. The engine is the thing's heart and soul and beat, its very reason to exist, and it is a storming, hard-revving, mind-mashing motor, the kind that you can't quite believe still exists in a 21st-century car. But exist it does, piling on the speed in one glorious easy swoop. You can pull away in third gear and run to over 110 mph before the rev limiter cuts in. I can't think of too many cars that'll do that. And it does it in a great, galloping charge, a mighty linear surge that has no flat spots, no dips in urgency. This is simply a great engine, more exciting than a 911's can ever be.
The other advantage over a 911 is the space: the Vette has a genuinely big load area, with a stretchy cloth cover and small wheel arch intrusions thanks to the lack of suspension uprights. It will take two full-size golf bags ? don't underestimate the importance of that in the Vette's main market. And the roof comes off, too, another feature you won't find on a 911, unless you go for a pansy Targa.

The mighty 6.2-liter small-block engine doesn't have much weight to pull around: only a bit over 3,100 lbs, and the car never felt anything other than light and nimble and extraordinarily fast. But you could putter around in it without thinking: I did a lot of commuting and never tired of the car, never wished I was in anything else. It couldn't be easier to drive, as the many people who drove it in this office confirmed. It's smaller than you think ? same length as a 911, slightly wider ? and easy to see out of, easy to park, and if you want to ease yourself into the idea of 430 hp, the car lets you do it. And all the while, with a lot of town work mixed in with fast highway runs, the car was averaging 23.6 mpg and that's very good indeed for a 198 mph supercar.

It had its quirks, too. It would grumble and lurch a bit when it was cold. You had to leave it in reverse when you parked it, in order to close it down and activate the alarm.

And do you know what? Every manual car I drive from now on, I'll be leaving in reverse overnight, to honor the memory of this mighty Corvette. A magnificent car.

http://www.topgear.com/us/blog/more/long-term-corvette

enjoy
 

LTC8K6

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Why cater to iPod owners?

you have to help it the extra quarter-turn to the straight-ahead.

God forbid you should have to actually drive the car...
 

PottedMeat

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To me, Top Gear = Clarkson/May/Hammond. You could have cut'n'paste the author's name -Bill Thomas.
 

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not sure where they're getting a C6 for 30K. maybe once in a blue moon one goes on the market and can be brought down to there. unless there is a lot more room to negotiate than i'm thinking.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
not sure where they're getting a C6 for 30K. maybe once in a blue moon one goes on the market and can be brought down to there. unless there is a lot more room to negotiate than i'm thinking.

europe?

and i found 5 under 30k asking price on Autotrader with a quick search
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
not sure where they're getting a C6 for 30K. maybe once in a blue moon one goes on the market and can be brought down to there. unless there is a lot more room to negotiate than i'm thinking.

30k is british pounds. (about $49k US)

Remember, new cars have taxes that used don't necessarily have. So the "depreciation" is pretty steep as soon as you sign it.

Edit:
I found 4 within 25 miles of me under $30k too.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: angry hampster
Originally posted by: senseamp
It's US version of Top Gear, so everything is in USD

The car has european plates, you dunce.

It's still the US version of Top Gear's site, at least a section of it. They have an "American" section on the site. If it wasn't, they'd use ? or £ instead of the dollar sign, dunce ;)

*edit* After looking through the site, it's a worldwide site that, if anything, caters to Americans. The grammar seems to be following American rules and not British ones, in addition to using USD for all prices.
 

ponyo

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Good review. Pretty much mirrors my experience.

22.4 cubic feet of trunk space. That's 38% bigger trunk space than Honda Accord or Toyota Camry.
 
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this is not the uk top gear site, it's the us "blog" and is solely meant for north american viewers. so, who is this article written for? "does this American car work in Britain and Europe?" implies the target audience is european, but this is misdirection. it effectively says "it's good enough for europe, so buy it."

bill thomas is a freelance writer and not a top gear staff writer. i cannot find a single thing written by him on the uk site.

Why cater to iPod owners?

i'd rather not have an ipod-only plug in my car. maybe it's motivated by the big ads for itunes.
 

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steering complaint seems odd. sounds like the car just doesn't have enough positive caster.

surpised there's no rip on the interior, clarkson or may probably would've denounced like they do most all american interiors (often with good reason).
 

MotF Bane

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Are they maybe using iPod port as a generic catch-all for an MP3 player interface?

Anyways, do fucking want.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
30k is british pounds. (about $49k US)

Remember, new cars have taxes that used don't necessarily have. So the "depreciation" is pretty steep as soon as you sign it.

Edit:
I found 4 within 25 miles of me under $30k too.

maybe the economy is harder hit out there than here. nothing on autotrader w/in 200 miles for under $33K.
 

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Originally posted by: brblx
steering complaint seems odd. sounds like the car just doesn't have enough positive caster.

surpised there's no rip on the interior, clarkson or may probably would've denounced like they do most all american interiors (often with good reason).

That's what got me. The last car I drove which had that quirk was a van with 170k and not the best maintenance. Didn't notice it after a couple miles around town, but still interesting. Wonder if there's a TSB on it.
 

LTC8K6

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Well, in my Jeep the iPod port is only for an iPod and it allows you to control the iPod with the steering wheel radio controls and the radio's touch screen. The iPod stays in the glove box and you control it just as if it was part of the car's radio.
 

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Originally posted by: brblx
steering complaint seems odd. sounds like the car just doesn't have enough positive caster.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe the vette's setup doesn't call for much?
 

ponyo

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Originally posted by: brblx
steering complaint seems odd. sounds like the car just doesn't have enough positive caster.

surpised there's no rip on the interior, clarkson or may probably would've denounced like they do most all american interiors (often with good reason).

steering complaint is common. It was my biggest as well. Steering and feedback feels bit numb so it takes some time behind the wheel to feel comfortable when pushing the car. I'm used to it now but it was an adjustment for me.
 

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, in my Jeep the iPod port is only for an iPod and it allows you to control the iPod with the steering wheel radio controls and the radio's touch screen. The iPod stays in the glove box and you control it just as if it was part of the car's radio.

Are you paid every time you use that term? :laugh:
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
30k is british pounds. (about $49k US)

Remember, new cars have taxes that used don't necessarily have. So the "depreciation" is pretty steep as soon as you sign it.

Edit:
I found 4 within 25 miles of me under $30k too.

maybe the economy is harder hit out there than here. nothing on autotrader w/in 200 miles for under $33K.

Corvettes actually have pretty damn good resale value.
 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: brblx
steering complaint seems odd. sounds like the car just doesn't have enough positive caster.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe the vette's setup doesn't call for much?
Caster is a trade-off. The more positive caster a car has, the more it wants to go in a straight line and in light of this complaint, the more the steering wheel will want to return to center. The trade-off is that the wheel is harder to turn.

One could argue that power steering is the answer, but caster absolutely does affect overall handling. Turn the steering wheel to full lock on virtually any street car while parked and notice how one side of the car raises up and the other goes down. Reverse the wheel to the opposite lock and the situation reverses. It's then easy to understand how caster affects weight transfer.

If car manufacturers designed cars for optimum handling, an enthusiast auto would oversteer in corners and the driver would have to steer the car with the throttle. The overwhelming majority of drivers would have a wreck. Cars are typically designed to understeer so that the reaction of a typical driver to going into a corner too hot is to back out of the throttle and the car then comes back under control. Caster and Camber both factor into handling and steering feel.

The author stating that Corvette engineers need to take apart other cars to figure out how to correct this "problem" is absurd. It's moronic actually. His complaint has been designed in. Whether that's good or bad is up for argument and perhaps subject to individual preference. Thinking that it's a mistake is just wrong.

IMO