top 5 cards are NV; does ATI loosing battle?

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Munky

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According to Billboard, a bunch of crap, no talent music artists are most popular. Does that mean they're as good or better than musicians with real talent who dont conform to the lowest common denominator?
 
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Genx87

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Originally posted by: munky
According to Billboard, a bunch of crap, no talent music artists are most popular. Does that mean they're as good or better than musicians with real talent who dont conform to the lowest common denominator?
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Not necessarily, but it does mean they get more attention and make more money, which in the end is all the bigwigs want anyways.
 
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Shortass

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I don't even know what that 'rating system' is, looks to me like a random list of video cards. Seems useless?
 
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ummm...the *rating* is done by random users / buyers?
like, i give it a 5 cuz it works and counterstrike plays great at 1024x768 w/o no aa / af!
or i give this a 1 cuz it can't run oblivion at 1600x1200 max detail max aa/af at more than 100 fps!

the way i understand it anyway...just like the 'ratings' on newegg which is basically end user feedback . . which could also be 'filtered' to show a more positive result if needed..

means nothing afaiac.
 
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mikek753

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when ATI will strike back with 80nm 1950xt?
and may be 1750 in $200 range - I made up that number as scale down 1950xt with 128 bit
 
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Lots of reasons the top 5 (are these by sales?) cards would be nv over ati.

1. EVGA >>> all ati partners
2. Hype. Just like the xbox360, shortage of the 7900 series make it more desirable. We want what we can't have.
3. Linux compatibility.
4. Noise, heat, power usage.

That being said, I bit on the $185 shipped 16 pipe Connect3d X1800GTO. I can live with one gaming and one work PC until supplies of 7900GTs stabilize, at which point it's ebay time. If it's only a 12 pipe part mislabeled on Connect3d's and newegg's site, I guess I'll just bounce it back.

edit: yay, newegg now shows it as a 12 pipe card. mailing them to clarify. Looks like it may be a refuse shipment time instead.
 
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jiffylube1024

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7900GTX is all hype; its just reputation from the 7800GTX 512MB and previous good NV cards; considering the 7900GTX costs more than the X1900XTX (or the almost as fast but even cheaper X1900XT), that's just brand loyalty at its finest.

7900GT, 7600GT and 7800GS AGP are all great cards at sweet pricepoints and ATI really has no firm answer to the $299 (MSRP) 7900GT, the <$200 7600GT or the 7800GS AGP, which is the fastest, most fully featured AGP card.

Nvidia is rolling with 90nm and tiny-died GPU's; ATI, due to their massive transistor eating memory controller unfortunately just can't hit the same pricepoints Nvidia can, certainly not while attempting to make as much money as NV can on their cheaper-to-manufacture chips.

Once ATI's X1900 and X1800 GTO's roll out and then drop in price a bit (and potentially people find out how to unlock them), ATI will at least have competitors at ~$200 and ~$300, by cutting down their premium cards.
 
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This IQ stuff can be dabated and really up to the users perference/taste. Im not so sure now after seeing oblivion from both ATi/NV card that ATi have the IQ edge. To me its quite equal, as both have pros/cons (e.g NVs AA modes, HQ AF so on and so forth).

 
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mikeford

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I don't care if Nvidia cards made my coffee for me, they bought up 3dfx and buried it, so poo on them.
 
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Painman

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Meh. Budweiser is the best selling beer in the world, that doesn't mean it isn't dreck.
 
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Originally posted by: Ronin
Originally posted by: Gamer X
X1900XT / X1900XTX > 7900GTX

X1800XT > 7900GT
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Or not.
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Why not?

Taking overclocking otu of consideration because I don't want to hear about some guy's phase change cooled super duper overclock. The X1900XTX has extra graphical features that the 7900GTX does not. And aside from OpenGL games, it runs faster in most case than the 7900GTX. The X1900XTX also seems to be able to run at the same resolutions but with more graphical features enabled than the 7900GTX. That's not to say the 7900GTX performs poorly in comparison to the X1900XTX but if it's consistently edged out, one would have to consider it 2nd best.

As for the X1800XT vs 7900GT...things get murkier. My preference would be for the 7900GT though the performance is extremely close much like the 7900GTX vs X1900XTX. That's at stock speeds. I feel the 7900GT also has a lot of head room for overclocking which is why I'd say the 7900GT edges out the X1800XT.
 
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Originally posted by: mikeford
I don't care if Nvidia cards made my coffee for me, they bought up 3dfx and buried it, so poo on them.
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Out of that 100 or so engineers they hired from 3DFX, I bet at least a few of them worked on the 7x00 series ;)

But, I wish that we could have seen rampage:(
 
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Dethfrumbelo

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: munky
According to Billboard, a bunch of crap, no talent music artists are most popular. Does that mean they're as good or better than musicians with real talent who dont conform to the lowest common denominator?
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Not necessarily, but it does mean they get more attention and make more money, which in the end is all the bigwigs want anyways.
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What it means is that the majority of humans on this planet are slobbering cattle, easily manipulated by the PTB who take advantage of the herd mentality.


 
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Sable

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My own personal OPINION is that the X1900XTX is the best single card available GRAPHICS WISE at the moment.

If you want a quiet cool card then GTX is the way to go OR slap a decent cooler on the XTX.
 
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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
7900GTX is all hype; its just reputation from the 7800GTX 512MB and previous good NV cards; considering the 7900GTX costs more than the X1900XTX (or the almost as fast but even cheaper X1900XT), that's just brand loyalty at its finest.

7900GT, 7600GT and 7800GS AGP are all great cards at sweet pricepoints and ATI really has no firm answer to the $299 (MSRP) 7900GT, the <$200 7600GT or the 7800GS AGP, which is the fastest, most fully featured AGP card.

Nvidia is rolling with 90nm and tiny-died GPU's; ATI, due to their massive transistor eating memory controller unfortunately just can't hit the same pricepoints Nvidia can, certainly not while attempting to make as much money as NV can on their cheaper-to-manufacture chips.

Once ATI's X1900 and X1800 GTO's roll out and then drop in price a bit (and potentially people find out how to unlock them), ATI will at least have competitors at ~$200 and ~$300, by cutting down their premium cards.
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I thought ATI was going to be releasing a 1900GT to combat the 7900GT. Was that just a bogus claim or what?
 
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