Took my MSF (motorcycle) classes this weekend...my reflection

beer

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Well I just finshed taking my MSF Basic Safety Course down at Southwest Texas. The class was a prototype of a new teaching method, so I thought it worthwhile to drive ~45 min each way from Austin. Anyways, I'll break it down for ya.

Friday night

Part of the new Basic Rider Course, as opposed to the old course, is an increased emphasis on teamwork. So we did the usual bookwork for three hours. It was pretty dulll, and it more or less ate up my Friday evening, but it was worth it because I wouldn't have felt comfortable getting on the bike for the first time Saturday morning without the Friday night intro.

Saturday Morning

I get a stupid dualsport bike :( Its a Texas summer still, and the fvcking bike won't start! I guess dualsports are pretty picky about starting, so I have to pull the choke almost all the way out to get the bike to start. My clutch work sucks. Every car I've ever driven stick was a torque monster (Camaro SS, RX7 3rd gen modified) so basically in a car like that, you don't need to have perfect clutch work because you can almost take your foot off the clutch and still not stall. We spend about 2 hours becoming acquainted with the bike - in particular, the friction zone and the throttle response. After that, we begin the weaves and begin to look at cornering. By this time it was lunchtime; after lunch, we spend another two hours on the bikes doing things like shifting and quick-stopping. One point of note was that my bike had a hard time going into first occasionally. So once I kept on stalling it, got kinda pissed at it, revved it kinda high and popped the clutch...BAD IDEA. I popped a not-so-reassuring wheelie and sent my legs flailing. I didn't realize until I talked with my RiderCoach that the reason why I stalled was that the bike was in second...and that I may have needed to doubleclutch to get it to go into first. Just my luck, too, I get the only dualsport out of eight bikes, since the rest were primarily Honda Rebels or Nighthawks. At around 3, we go back into the classroom and finish up on advanced street strategies.

Sunday Morning

The basic angenda for the day called for riding from about 8:30 till lunchtime and from about 1 till 2. Rider evaluations were from 2 to 3 or so; from 3 to 4 the goal was to finish up classroom stuff. By 4:30 or so, we took the (rediculously easy) written test. From 4:30-5:30 they went over things like insurance and helmet requirements, etc. In any event, the on-bike training in the morning called for practice on advanced street strategies. Low-speed (<5 mph) cornering was the first thing we did. After that, we had a lesson on how to ride over obstacles. There was more quickstop and more weaving after that. After lunch, we did low-speed cornering and quickstops AGAIN. By this time, though, it had started raining. The tarmac got very slippery and the bikes' brakes were not in the best of conditions. But nonewithstanding that fact, rider skill played a big role into why I fell on a quickstop. I braked as if I would have when the pavement was dry, and this was a big mistake. I gave it to much front brake and slid right under the bike at around 10 mph. My jeans tore through and my elbow and knee were pretty scraped, but it was just minor. I was one of three riders (in a class of 8) to have fallen that day; me and one other did it on the rain and the third guy did it earlier that day on a quickstop coming out of a turn, when the pavement was dry. This was a BIG lesson for me.

When it came time for evaluations, the test was outlined to us: there were four major tests. The first was low-speed cornering. The second test was a weave, followed by a quickstop and finally a high-speed (relatively) cornering run. I only missed points on the low-speed cornering, as did most everyone else. I was much more careful about braking during the quickstop since the tarmac was still wet.

After the evaluation, everyone went inside and we finshed the last classroom session, which was about drugs and alcohol. We then went over licensing and helmet and insurance guidelines, and then we took a written test, which I made a 98% on. They gave us our certificates and we left.

My reflection

I went into this weekend thinking I was relatively hot sh!t...no. I definitely see now how a throttle can get you in trouble. You can't just buy an R1 and tell yourself "I'll just watch the throttle" because you can't. I got in trouble a couple of times on the 250, namely with the wheelie and also a few times when I ended up entering a turn a bit too fast. When I dropped the bike on the stop, I was able to pick it up with no problems because the bike was naked. It it had fairing, it would have been expensive to replace. I came into this class telling myself I was going to get out and buy YZF600 or an SV650....no. I actually think I am going to get the first bike I ever thought about getting, the GS500. 500 is a lot of power, and I'd rather buy a bike I outgrow and have to sell than buy a bike that is way too fast and I get in trouble on. Plus, the Ninja's fairing would be very expensive if I ever dropped in in a parking lot, I could just pick up the GS500 and walk away. I'm actually a bit more hesitant now than I was on Thursday night, after seeing how easily I went down. I went down at no more than 10 mph...what if I was doing 40?

But, I can now say that I am certified to operate a motorcycle in the state of Texas :)

Sunday Morning

 

DeadHead

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Smaller bikes get boring though, my bros first bike was a 750cc, second was a 1200cc post drad bike.
 

bmacd

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a 750 can be huge, especially for somebody with my build/experience.

-=bmacd=-
 
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cool :)

a lot has changed since i last took the course .. looks like they made it harder, which is better cause you have learnt more.

Falling is part of teh equation.. even i fell at teh MSF course.. I hit the rear brake too hard and it locked and I got thrown off at 10 mph.

The GS500 is a sweet bike not because I own one but its a bike that will force you to use the throttle, actually even a 250 will hold up but 500 would give you a bit more top end power, for throttle control a 250 is better.

Oh well have fun.. and let me know as things progress.
 

AzNmAnJLH

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Elemental007 thanks for the insight I plan on getting a gsx or r6 myself.. never rode a bike before though yikes!!! I plan to spend plenty of time learning before actually buying them.
 

beer

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Originally posted by: AzNmAnJLH
Elemental007 thanks for the insight I plan on getting a gsx or r6 myself.. never rode a bike before though yikes!!! I plan to spend plenty of time learning before actually buying them.

To quote http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_02/supersport/fs_gsx600.htm

The Suzuki GSX-Rs and TL1000R are engineered for experienced riders.

TAKE THE CLASS BEFORE YOU DECIDE WHAT BIKE YOU ARE GOING TO GET!

I don't think you have any clue how to even work a throttle. BTW the GSXRs and the R6 have HORRIBLE riding positions; the CBR600 series ones as well as the Ninjas have much better riding positions. Seriously, you will feel immense pain in your hips after a few days on a bike. And I'm a powerlifting with large legs.
 

silverpig

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BTW the GSXRs and the R6 have HORRIBLE riding positions; the CBR600 series ones as well as the Ninjas have much better riding positions. Seriously, you will feel immense pain in your hips after a few days on a bike. And I'm a powerlifting with large legs.


I was talking with a guy at a bike store about those bikes and he said that the r6/gsx-r are better for taller guys as you are in a more agressive riding position. He said with the CBR you are more upright and it feels as though your head is a mile in the air if you're more than average height.
 

Thegonagle

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Elememtal007, this is a great post. Thank you. I?ve never ridden a motorcycle before. What's the cost for a course where they provide the cycle? After reading about your experience, I think I'd like to take the MSF course at my next opportunity so that the next time I see some used bike for sale for a negligible amount of cash, I can take a test ride, and buy it if it checks out. Then I can stop dreaming, and start riding.

Thanks for the bump, Good Guy. I would have missed this one for sure, since I'm so busy on weekends.
 

beer

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Originally posted by: Garfang
Elememtal007, this is a great post. Thank you. I?ve never ridden a motorcycle before. What's the cost for a course where they provide the cycle? After reading about your experience, I think I'd like to take the MSF course at my next opportunity so that the next time I see some used bike for sale for a negligible amount of cash, I can take a test ride, and buy it if it checks out. Then I can stop dreaming, and start riding.

Thanks for the bump, Good Guy. I would have missed this one for sure, since I'm so busy on weekends.

I paid $140. I've seen them between about $140 and $160 here.

Fair price if you ask me. I would have liked better bikes in the 250 range. I didn't like having to ride a dualsport at ALL. But the whole weekend you will never get above 25 mph, so it doesn't matter really.
 

Thegonagle

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That price range seems more than fair. I can certainly afford that. I don't even know what a dual sport is, so I doubt it would matter much to me what they gave me for the class. I want to learn how to handle a motorcycle, any motorcycle, before I worry what type I'll be riding, and I'm fairly sure I just want to get a cruiser as my first bike, not a rocket.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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GREAT post elemental007

I have seen too many posts from people asking advice, not hearing what they want (at least from people who actually do ride), and then saying they are going to go get their gixxer anyway and just be careful. I do suggest the experienced course after 6 months or so. The 500cc bike is a great one. If you get up my way (Boston area), be glad to ride with you.
 

beer

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
GREAT post elemental007

I have seen too many posts from people asking advice, not hearing what they want (at least from people who actually do ride), and then saying they are going to go get their gixxer anyway and just be careful. I do suggest the experienced course after 6 months or so. The 500cc bike is a great one. If you get up my way (Boston area), be glad to ride with you.

Unfortunately I live in Austin, TX. Maybe a 1500 mile ride?

I used to say, 'well I'll get the 600 and just watch the throttle.' If only it was that simple to the inexperienced.
 

Murpheeee

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great post....I'm taking the MSF course in 3 weeks.....nice to hear whats involved.

MUCH more expensive up here - $350 !
 

smp

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Thanks man :)
Good post, helped me out. I'm in Canada though so our courses are bound to be different, but I still get an idea ... I hope.
 

Atrail

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Congrats!
I am a certified Texan as well... Now if I could only scrap together the cash to get a bike.
I want to get a Ninja500EX as soon as the funds become available.
Keep us updated on what you decide to do...

 
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one thing I am glad and happy about is all that effort by riders here telling you what bike to get has finally paid off :)

riding is fun and when done in a safe and sane manner it can really enhance your life.. especially if you have a gf/bf who rides too.